shooting guns at campouts

[Clark Addison]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Why is that?

Mostly because I am a sissified city boy who is afraid of guns. Didn't grow up with them, never been hunting, etc.

Plus I remember what I was like at that age.

Rational or not, I just wouldn't feel comfortable with a bunch of 12-16 year old boys and an automatic weapon.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Clark Addison

Mostly because I am a sissified city boy who is afraid of guns. Didn't grow up with them, never been hunting, etc.

Plus I remember what I was like at that age.

Rational or not, I just wouldn't feel comfortable with a bunch of 12-16 year old boys and an automatic weapon.

Every gun, regardless of caliber and action must be treated with utmost respect. I don't think an automatic is inherently more dangerous than a semi-auto. Or pump or whatever. It's not like the leaders just give each kid an Uzi and say "Have at it."

[MikeWaters]

I do think that an automatic IS more dangerous. It's harder to control.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I do think that an automatic IS more dangerous. It's harder to control.

Have you ever shot one?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Have you ever shot one?

Yes.

For someone slight of stature, with no experience shooting guns, shooting fully automatic would be more difficult, and certainly more dangerous.

I think you are assuming someone that lots of experience with guns, and I make no such assumption.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Yes.

For someone slight of stature, with no experience shooting guns, shooting fully automatic would be more difficult, and certainly more dangerous.

I think you are assuming someone that lots of experience with guns, and I make no such assumption.

No, I am assuming close, careful, and knowledgeable adult supervision. I shot an M-16 when I was a kid and loved it. The recoil was quite tame.

But this is pretty much a moot point anyway, given the scarcity of fully-automatic guns.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

No, I am assuming close, careful, and knowledgeable adult supervision. I shot an M-16 when I was a kid and loved it. The recoil was quite tame.

But this is pretty much a moot point anyway, given the scarcity of fully-automatic guns.

I think your argument doesn't make sense. It's as if you are arguing there is no difference between any guns, short of a .50 caliber in terms of safety for new users.

For example, a 1-lb trigger pull would be more dangerous for a new user than a 8-lb trigger pull.

Some people just aren't careful, even when they have been carefully instructed. Some people are stupid.

They turn their body, and turn the gun at the same time, and you have a situation where a gun is pointing at a person. This happens instantly.

Last time we shot, I had to tell each kid about 5 times "GET YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!"

It's for reasons like this that a rifle would be safer than a pistol with someone who is new to guns (and is stupid).

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think your argument doesn't make sense. It's as if you are arguing there is no difference between any guns, short of a .50 caliber in terms of safety for new users.

For example, a 1-lb trigger pull would be more dangerous for a new user than a 8-lb trigger pull.

Some people just aren't careful, even when they have been carefully instructed. Some people are stupid.

They turn their body, and turn the gun at the same time, and you have a situation where a gun is pointing at a person. This happens instantly.

Last time we shot, I had to tell each kid about 5 times "GET YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!"

It's for reasons like this that a rifle would be safer than a pistol with someone who is new to guns (and is stupid).

Yes, but that argument can be used both ways. People shouldn't assume that a lower caliber gun is substantially safer than a higher caliber gun for example. Both are lethal.

On the rare occasions that we use pistols, the boys only handle the pistol right as they are about to shoot. An adult hands it to the boy, stands by his side, and immediately takes it after the shot.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Yes, but that argument can be used both ways. People shouldn't assume that a lower caliber gun is substantially safer than a higher caliber gun for example. Both are lethal.

On the rare occasions that we use pistols, the boys only handle the pistol right as they are about to shoot. An adult hands it to the boy, stands by his side, and immediately takes it after the shot.

the reason being, of course, is that it is more dangerous.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

the reason being, of course, is that it is more dangerous.

Yes, and all are more dangerous than water balloons.