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Indy Coug · 11-30-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by K-dog

I didn't see that. I thought our freshmen looked like reserves and freshmen. I don't think it speaks poorly of them that they were unready to compete against the best competition in the country.

Exactly. Why can't freshman have freshman-esque expectations of them and have the patience to allow them to develop over a couple of years?

Travis Hansen didn't exactly look like all that and a bag of chips his sophomore year.

RockyBalboa · 11-30-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Well, Loyd was put in to play the 2 ahead of Jimmer. So what does that say?

Loyd was put in to play the point, not the 2 guard.

MikeWaters · 11-30-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Loyd was put in to play the point, not the 2 guard.

Murdock and Loyd were on the floor at the same time. If you want to say it was Murdock at the 2, then whatever. Point is still the same. Coach would rather have someone out of position than play Fredette at the 2.

Prof-Bball · 11-30-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Well, Loyd was put in to play the 2 ahead of Jimmer. So what does that say?

I don't think the coaches trust Jimmer's on the ball D yet. If you notice in the past that when Lloyd comes in at the 2 he usually guards the point guard, like against Jackson st. I dont think them putting LLoyd in was not showing confidence in Jimmer, I just really think they like how Lloyd defends, even more than murdock. That said if the coaches could do it over again they might put Jimmer in. Lloyds turnovers killed us and we needed some buckets. The point is I think the coaches would rather put in a freshman who is a very good defender in cruchtime than go to a freshman for offensive firepower when you have guys like Lee, JT, and trent on the court.

Goatnapper'96 · 11-30-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Prof-Bball

I don't think the coaches trust Jimmer's on the ball D yet. If you notice in the past that when Lloyd comes in at the 2 he usually guards the point guard, like against Jackson st. I dont think them putting LLoyd in was not showing confidence in Jimmer, I just really think they like how Lloyd defends, even more than murdock. That said if the coaches could do it over again they might put Jimmer in. Lloyds turnovers killed us and we needed some buckets. The point is I think the coaches would rather put in a freshman who is a very good defender in cruchtime than go to a freshman for offensive firepower when you have guys like Lee, JT, and trent on the court.

Don't let Mike bother you, he has some strange self-loathing or Ghandilike fetish of self-deprivation. Most people from Texas are miserable like unto he.

MikeWaters · 11-30-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Don't let Mike bother you, he has some strange self-loathing or Ghandilike fetish of self-deprivation. Most people from Texas are miserable like unto he.

You will notice that Prof BBall just agreed with me.

Goatnapper'96 · 11-30-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You will notice that Prof BBall just agreed with me.

You own the site, he is being kind and tasteful. He leaves it to me to tell you that on many occassions you are full of shit.

See, my old man grew up in Schnectady, NY and Glenns Falls is real close as they both are suburbs of Albany. So I am all over the Jimmer Fredette protection from Mike Waters' racist stereotypes of his skeelz committee.

To quote the former Brother Brinkley "it is a New York way of life."

jay santos · 11-30-2007, 10:10 PM

I think it was both offense and defense reasons Loyd went in to play the 2 over Jimmer. UNC's quickness rattled Jimmer when he went in the first half. He looked like a TO waiting to happen. Loyd didn't do much better. My opinion: it was partially a talent issue but mostly a confidence issue. He'll get better. UNC can do that to a lot of people. You guys remember us trying to run our offense from 40 ft from the basket in games over the last five years against Cincy, UCLA, UCONN, UNC, etc.

Prof-Bball · 11-30-2007, 10:47 PM

I'm not saying I dont think it was a coaching mistake putting Lloyd in instead of Jimmer, all I meant to say in my response was that I can understand the thought process of the coaches. Honestly I think they were less concerned in winning than they were keeping the score close, but you cant blame them for that.

11-30-2007, 10:10 PM	#18
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	I think it was both offense and defense reasons Loyd went in to play the 2 over Jimmer. UNC's quickness rattled Jimmer when he went in the first half. He looked like a TO waiting to happen. Loyd didn't do much better. My opinion: it was partially a talent issue but mostly a confidence issue. He'll get better. UNC can do that to a lot of people. You guys remember us trying to run our offense from 40 ft from the basket in games over the last five years against Cincy, UCLA, UCONN, UNC, etc.

11-30-2007, 10:47 PM	#19
Prof-Bball Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 43	I'm not saying I dont think it was a coaching mistake putting Lloyd in instead of Jimmer, all I meant to say in my response was that I can understand the thought process of the coaches. Honestly I think they were less concerned in winning than they were keeping the score close, but you cant blame them for that.