Proposition 8 take a break..we can reach our destination..but we're still a ways away

[SeattleUte]

If the California Constitution has been amended 500 times I'd be interested in knowing how many times the "Bill of Rights" section has been amended, and to limit not expand liberty.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Oh, I'm pretty sure that if I was against Prop 8, I wouldn't say "oh, this is not pushing Prop 8 so hard, so maybe I will do it."

Is this so much of a stretch you can't imagine me following through?

Nobody here is saying that, least of all me. I am trying to balance my personal feelings on the matter with being intellectually honest about the Church's efforts. I am not ready to completely malign the Church for everything it does on the matter, so i find SU's blood boiling to be a bit over the top, albeit somewhat attractive.

Your description of what happened in Texas seems pretty weak, frankly. All you did was cast a secret ballot. You likely didnt even let your Bishop know that you were in opposition. The Stake presidency did not call you directly and ask for money and ask if you were going to be participating. And since you acknowledge that there was little likelihood of passage, your vote wasnt even impactful. In other words, when push came to shove, you really did nothing of meaning.

Everything is easier in Texas, it seems.

Good luck standing up for the cause......20 yards behind the front lines. Now get out of the way because we have real work to do out here.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Nobody here is saying that, least of all me. I am trying to balance my personal feelings on the matter with being intellectually honest about the Church's efforts. I am not ready to completely malign the Church for everything it does on the matter, so i find SU's blood boiling to be a bit over the top, albeit somewhat attractive.

Your description of what happened in Texas seems pretty weak, frankly. All you did was cast a secret ballot. You likely didnt even let your Bishop know that you were in opposition. The Stake presidency did not call you directly and ask for money and ask if you were going to be participating. And since you acknowledge that there was little likelihood of passage, your vote wasnt even impactful. In other words, when push came to shove, you really did nothing of meaning.

Everything is easier in Texas, it seems.

Good luck standing up for the cause......20 yards behind the front lines. Now get out of the way because we have real work to do out here.

it's the church that had a weak effort in Texas, not me.

Seems like to get any street cred around here you have to join a pro-gay marriage political group.

I'm saying your vacillating has little to do with principle and a lot to do with convenience ("this isn't so tough").

I'll respect you more if you campaign in support of Prop 8 amongst your co-workers (even though I don't support Prop 8). But you wouldn't. no matter how strongly you believed in Prop 8.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

it's the church that had a weak effort in Texas, not me.

Seems like to get any street cred around here you have to join a pro-gay marriage political group.

I'm saying your vacillating has little to do with principle and a lot to do with convenience ("this isn't so tough").

I'll respect you more if you campaign in support of Prop 8 amongst your co-workers (even though I don't support Prop 8). But you wouldn't. no matter how strongly you believed in Prop 8.

I guess I am confused at where I am vacillating. Are you lying again, like when you denied threatening to write a letter to my sister's employer? You have a bad habit of being dishonest that way.

You already respect me, so I am not looking for that.

Tell me what you found to be the most challenging.....going into a private voting booth to vote against the gay marriage amendment.....or not telling anyone in your ward how you were going to vote? Your story is a veritable Profile in Courage.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I guess I am confused at where I am vacillating. Are you lying again, like when you denied threatening to write a letter to my sister's employer? You have a bad habit of being dishonest that way.

You already respect me, so I am not looking for that.

Tell me what you found to be the most challenging.....going into a private voting booth to vote against the gay marriage amendment.....or not telling anyone in your ward how you were going to vote? Your story is a veritable Profile in Courage.

just because you are vacillating over whether public appearances is more important than doing what is right, don't take it out on me.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

just because you are vacillating over whether public appearances is more important than doing what is right, don't take it out on me.

I can always tell when you are struggling for material because you have a habit of repeating yourself (The Art of War, Chap 6...weakenesses and strengths). This is the second time you have referenced the vacillation. This repetition is similar to your recent infertility/sperm donor jokes that fell flat....same stuff over and over.

I want to play along with your game because it is monday morning and I dont feel like working, plus it has been a few weeks since I have beaten you down (oh, ewth8ter, you never defend me, but you defend him all the time! now I am going to delete the photo thread!), but you arent giving me much to work with.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

If the California Constitution has been amended 500 times I'd be interested in knowing how many times the "Bill of Rights" section has been amended, and to limit not expand liberty.

You don't mean to tell me that you graduated from Georgetown Law without learning how to consult a law book, do you? Look it up on your own. That diploma ought to be good for something.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by All-American

You don't mean to tell me that you graduated from Georgetown Law without learning how to consult a law book, do you? Look it up on your own. That diploma ought to be good for something.

I know the answer. It was a rhetorical question. The answer is 0 times.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I know the answer. It was a rhetorical question. The answer is 0 times.

So of the hundreds of times the California State constitution has been amended, it's never once trampled upon another's rights in favoring the rights of another? I'd love to see you argue THAT position.

[BYU71]

Wow, I am impressed you guys are still going back and forth on this.