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Old 11-08-2007, 02:34 AM   #31
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You are just kidding yourself here. There is a wealth of information written about the relationships by faithful members of the church, most significantly by the multiple wives themselves. One of which was my ancestor (Caroline Partridge). She and others gave plenty of detail.
Hey now, no need to go kicking around the sand in which Indy's head is firmly buried.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:37 AM   #32
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Hey now, no need to go kicking around the sand in which Indy's head is firmly buried.
Or perhaps that's him in his avatar?
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:39 AM   #33
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One of your children will eventually leave the church, at least for a time, because they feel lied to by you and the church over church history.

That is my prophecy.
I'm glad you have the priesthood keys to be receiving revelation for me. How's the weather in Hildale?

It's the Adam-God Complex.

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Old 11-08-2007, 04:15 AM   #34
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The history is clear in this case--SC just about started the civil war at the time JS gave this revelation. It was averted by Clay and Calhoon, but only for another 20 or so years.

It would be like me saying today that America will have a war with Iran starting with an Israeli bombing of a nuclear plant. Maybe a Democrat is elected to the White House next year and we avoid the war for now, but in 20 years or so we then have a war with Iran that starts with a bombing of a nuclear plant by Israel. See I'm a prophet.

BTW, I believe that JS was a prophet. I just am not impressed with this prophesy particularly.
So the prediction about SC turned out to be right-- a plausible coincidence, I suppose, though he should get at least a little credit for the fact that he turned out to be right. But even then, why wouldn't he have predicted that it would have been a war between the eastern and western states, given that the fight was especially between Jackson and Calhoun? Or that it would be over the tariff issue, instead of slavery?

Even if these would have been easy guesses (and I don't know how easy such guesses would have been for those not benefited by over a hundred years of hindsight, but I won't labor this point for the sake of the argument), isn't it just a little bit remarkable that they all happened?

A team that wins 12 games in which they had a 80% chance of winning ought to be ranked in the top 10. Joseph Smith should at least be ranked if you insist on keeping him out of the BCS.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:16 AM   #35
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I'm glad you have the priesthood keys to be receiving revelation for me. How's the weather in Hildale?

It's the Adam-God Complex.
Not the Adam-God theory again . . . .
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:06 PM   #36
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It would be like me saying today that America will have a war with Iran starting with an Israeli bombing of a nuclear plant. Maybe a Democrat is elected to the White House next year and we avoid the war for now, but in 20 years or so we then have a war with Iran that starts with a bombing of a nuclear plant by Israel. See I'm a prophet.
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One of your children will eventually leave the church, at least for a time, because they feel lied to by you and the church over church history.
Yeah, and New York City will be underwater in nine more years because Greenland will melt.

Your contributions are only further evidence of how difficult the prophecy game really is. At least the gloom and doom global warming prophets have some science to back them up.

U.S foreign policy is geared to preventing the U.S. being drawn into any conflict due to some agressive action by Israel (when Israel acts, we do not follow; there are too many interests at stake). There simply is not a realistic scenario out there that would bring about the actions you prophesy.

Try again Mr. McLellan.
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