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If you are stating that some sacrament or ordinance is necessary, how does one come by the authority necessary to perform the ordinance? For example, if I determine that an order of the District Court for the Eastern District of Washington is necessary to enforce in Seattle, I can't claim to be the District Court Judge just because I went to law school or just because I decided it would be a good idea. Apostolic lineage is a rational course of dealing. Now whether it exists or continued to exist is a logical argument. However, I don't even understand the paradigm that it is necessary to be baptized and to receive the sacramental ordinance. An ordinance requires authority? By definition it does. I have never understood the answer to that question. I've heard, but still stand there scratching my head. I can understand a paradigm that says God doesn't need ordinances and neither do we. But once you state an ordinance is necessary, then the logical question is who must perform it? The Baptists have never given a logical explanation. And no I don't need a scriptural argument.
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I think they would argue that where a couple of believers are gathered, God is with them, as is the authority.
While we have an idea of authority, I don't know that it is spelled out that way in the New Testament. So I don't really follow that our logic is really logic. It's just *a* way that to me isn't anymore particularly inducive of faith than then Baptist way. And that is why people rarely "logic" themselves into the church. |
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Nothing I know ever works that way. If you were a subject of England and you wanted to do something on behalf of the King, you needed his imprimatur. How a believer suddenly acquires authority by believing makes no sense to me. To which the Evangelical will respond, you just gotta have faith. And ponzis are legitimate investment vehicles as well.
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What you are saying is no different than saying how do Jews and Budhists explain the absence of a mechanism for atonement in their respective cosmologies? Like all successful religions, and good science fiction novels, the evangelical creed is possessed of an internal (emphasis on internal) coherance and rationality. I judge religions by only one standard: whether and to what extent the religion has been instrumental in enhancing the well being of its adherants in a variety of important respects.
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Externally, I don't understand evangelicals. The concept of authority is inherent in much of western society, so with baptists bucking the trend, it's almost an eastern philosophy invasion. Quote:
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In short, evangelicals don't answer any of the great questions, metaphysical, moral or otherwise.
http://www.stanford.edu/~strum/cours..._1999_news.pdf This looks like a great class. http://www.fordham.edu/philosophy/pr...istByTitle.htm
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The sense I get from her and others I have come into contact with is that their belief system is the only prism through which they view the world. It's a pretty restrictive prism, hence I don't think they have the capacity to come at an issue or problem any other way. Aside from issue-driven movements (abortion or gay marriage for example), I don't think they involve themselves that much with politics. Sure, the Republican Party can mobilize them at election time over these issues, but I don't see much discourse beyond that. I was shocked when talking with my sister-in-law about possible job postings and when Saudi Arabia came up, her response was, "That's a godless nation!" In other words, our god is god and there is only one way to worship him. All else is folly.
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