How True do you think the Book of Mormon is?

[Archaea]

Not enough variation in the poll answers.

Mostly true, I dunno what that is supposed to mean.

"Extreme" bias. Nothing in between.

I am reminded how Church members will refer to an event, in religious, good versus evil terms when contrasted with how nonChurch members perceived events and there can be a vast difference in the accounts, even if both are well-meaning.

Assume for arguments sake as most believe, Nephite society existed.

Would a "Lamanite" describe himself in the terms as the Nephite records?

Do Iranian records record world events in the same manner as CNN? Well, okay bad example, but as Fox News?

[All-American]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Not enough variation in the poll answers.

Mostly true, I dunno what that is supposed to mean.

"Extreme" bias. Nothing in between.

I am reminded how Church members will refer to an event, in religious, good versus evil terms when contrasted with how nonChurch members perceived events and there can be a vast difference in the accounts, even if both are well-meaning.

Assume for arguments sake as most believe, Nephite society existed.

Would a "Lamanite" describe himself in the terms as the Nephite records?

Do Iranian records record world events in the same manner as CNN? Well, okay bad example, but as Fox News?

Won't argue, but if we had more than 5, it would have been rather cumbersome. I'm not trying to get an exact representation of every person's specific position on the Book of Mormon-- just a feel for what the rest of the board thinks.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This is the goofiest "poll" I've ever seen. What does "true" mean here? True in a metaphysical/allegorical sense, like a parable? True in the sense that the stories really happened once upon a time in a place far away? If the latter, how in the sam hill could anyone know, since there's not a scintilla of evidence there were such thing as Nephites, etc.? I mean, at least with the Old Testament we know there were Egyptians, and can trace what befell the Hebrews/Jews as a people up to today (excluding the "Lost Tribes"). Okay, some of you may have a "testimony," the poll is still silly because it suggests there's some empirical basis, e.g., "the events are more or less true, but reported with an extreme historical bias." Does one get a "spiritual witness" of this nature? Somebody's not thinking too clearly here. LOL.

I have always wondered exactly what is meant by the statement "I know the church is true". I take it mean "I believe it's teachings", but who knows if that is what's the intent is. When my Bishop stopped by my house and asked me if I believed the church is true, I told him I didn't understand what he was asking. He couldn't explain what he meant either.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by All-American

Then mark the last option and move along, instead of being an asswipe.

That's pretty damn funny!

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by All-American

Then mark the last option and move along, instead of being an asswipe.

I'm simply trying to find out how many people on this board think that the the names and characters spoken of in the Book of Mormon correspond to actual historical figures. As ridiculous as you believe such a prospect may be, at least two thirds of the people that responded to the question feel otherwise.

Being an asswipe is his calling on here. He feels if he doesn't garner that reaction from people that he's not doing his job on here of being the complete piece of shit that he is.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

the basic historical outline is true, the more detailed historical items' veracity (eg. number of dead at Cumorah) are unknown.

How can Indy possibly know this? Indy, how do you know it's a "basic historical outline" of something? What's your reference? What "evidence" do you have outside of the very document you want to prove true? And you can't even show me a source for that document that existed before the late 1820's (apart from the large swaths of text cribbed from the KJV). There's no evidence of Hebrews or Jews in the Americas before Jewish imigrants came to America. You made "basic historical outline" up; pulled it out of your ass. If you tell me you got some supernatural "witness" it's true I won't argue with you. Tell me it's a "basic historical outline" of something and I laugh at you for your windbaggery. Give me one piece of evidence it's a "basic historical outline" of anything. Give me a single one. I know there were Egyptians and Hebrews, pyramids built by slaves, a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. How do I know a fact stated in the Book of Mormon to be true. A single one?

Go ahead and call me Korihor. But you're the one who made the outlandish, made up and wholly unsupported claim that it's a "basic hisorical outline" of something (what?).

[fusnik11]

I thought these maps were interesting.....

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

How can Indy possibly know this? Indy, how do you know it's a "basic historical outline" of something? What's your reference? What "evidence" do you have outside of the very document you want to prove true? And you can't even show me a source for that document that existed before the late 1820's (apart from the large swaths of text cribbed from the KJV). There's no evidence of Hebrews or Jews in the Americas before Jewish imigrants came to America. You made "basic historical outline" up; pulled it out of your ass. If you tell me you got some supernatural "witness" it's true I won't argue with you. Tell me it's a "basic historical outline" of something and I laugh at you for your windbaggery. Give me one piece of evidence it's a "basic historical outline" of anything. Give me a single one. I know there were Egyptians and Hebrews, pyramids built by slaves, a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. How do I know a fact stated in the Book of Mormon to be true. A single one?

Go ahead and call me Korihor. But you're the one who made the outlandish, made up and wholly unsupported claim that it's a "basic hisorical outline" of something (what?).

Because you are a "seeing is believing" kind of guy, it's expected that you have the belief you do about the Book of Mormon.

Then again, perhaps you have the faith that it's a load of crap, as you have no proof that the "historical outline" doesn't exist.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

I thought these maps were interesting.....

What are you saying fus?

I think I need to change me vote.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

How can Indy possibly know this? Indy, how do you know it's a "basic historical outline" of something? What's your reference? What "evidence" do you have outside of the very document you want to prove true? And you can't even show me a source for that document that existed before the late 1820's (apart from the large swaths of text cribbed from the KJV). There's no evidence of Hebrews or Jews in the Americas before Jewish imigrants came to America. You made "basic historical outline" up; pulled it out of your ass. If you tell me you got some supernatural "witness" it's true I won't argue with you. Tell me it's a "basic historical outline" of something and I laugh at you for your windbaggery. Give me one piece of evidence it's a "basic historical outline" of anything. Give me a single one. I know there were Egyptians and Hebrews, pyramids built by slaves, a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. How do I know a fact stated in the Book of Mormon to be true. A single one?

Go ahead and call me Korihor. But you're the one who made the outlandish, made up and wholly unsupported claim that it's a "basic hisorical outline" of something (what?).

Yet, as outlandish, made up, and wholly unsupported as the claim is, millions of people buy it, and among those millions, the majority of those who post here. Clearly, there's something that made them believe there is some truth to the book-- and remember, inertia is not a valid excuse in all cases, as many (including some of the present company) made great sacrifices in order to align themselves with the church, prompted by this "outlandish, made up, and wholly unsupported claim."

If you say that there is no sensible reason for anybody to believe as you do regarding the book of Mormon, I see only two reasons why. Either none of those who believe in the Book of Mormon are capable of reasonable thought and are wholly unable to discern truth from error (and I would love to see you crucify yourself on that gold cross), or there may be something you're not considering which others accept as valid and valuable evidence.

If the second scenario is true, why on Earth should we waste the time giving you our reasons for believing the Book of Mormon? You are acquainted with Mormonism; you know why we believe it is true. You've rejected those reasons as insufficient, as is your perogative. Why, then, do you insist that we try to prove it to you and win you back?

The fact that you consider yourself an enlightened thinker and nevertheless cannot understand how others can think differently than you do is a bitter irony, to say the least.