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Judge Smails · 02-04-2008, 03:41 PM

I don't have time to read everybody's opinion on the baseball player getting kicked out of BYU for his 60% church attendance and not requesting a calling, but if anyone's buying that I've got a bridge...

I don't have any inside scoop to the situation, but if I may be so brash as to speculate, let me make a hypothesis:

Said baseballer (we have baseball at BYU??) sticks his dick where it doesn't belong (or where it does belong depending upon your point of view). Baseballer meets with Bishop. Bishop refuses to sign ecclesiastical endorsement.

So baller has to tell his parents he was kicked out of BYU. Dad says 'why'? Baller, to save face, lies to Dad, telling him it was for "church attendance". Father runs to media, BYU knows nothing, Bishop can't say anything. Suddenly, headlines read "BYU kicks out baseball player for skipping church". Kid won't comment, mostly because he lied about the situation, and the Bishop knows it, the SP knows it, the joint copulator knows it and well as his friends he bragged to about said copulation.

Now, doesn't that make more sense than this BS Trib story.

Again, I don't know what transgression the kid committed. My story was purely hypothetical, but I'm guessing it was more than ditching out on Elder's Quorum. Color me skeptical.

SteelBlue · 02-04-2008, 03:47 PM

Why is it that the people who are uncomfortable criticizing BYU in this situation are so very comfortable speculating on the morals (especially as related to fornication) of this kid?

Judge Smails · 02-04-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Why is it that the people who are uncomfortable criticizing BYU in this situation are so very comfortable speculating on the morals (especially as related to fornication) of this kid?

Gimme a break. I clearly stated this was hypothesis. Are you suggesting I can't even suggest there's a more logical explanation, because that would imply I'm judging the guy.

Do you believe he was kicked out of school because of 60% church attendance? Seriously?

If it did all go down the way the Trib and Daddy say it did, then yes, BYU and/or this Bishop is to blame in this circumstance, but I would hope you'd be smart enough to recognize there are ALWAYS two sides to any controversy. In this case, we've only heard one side, and that's all we will ever hear. To fall hook, line, and sinker after hearing that one side is foolhardy at best.

For a message board whose posters tend to pride themselves on their intellect, I would expect more out of some of you. (again, I've only read 3 or 4 posts on the topic, and am projecting those opinions onto the rest of the board).

myboynoah · 02-04-2008, 06:57 PM

Where does 60% come from? The article says 6 times since the start of school in the Fall. That puts it down around 30% at most.

livecoug · 02-04-2008, 06:59 PM

the article states 6 times out of 11. so 55%.

myboynoah · 02-04-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by livecoug

the article states 6 times out of 11. so 55%.

Wasn't that according to the father? He's obviously making his case, so I don't really trust his figures. That whole "didn't come in and ask for a calling" thing doesn't make sense, so I wonder if it means he didn't accept a calling.

From September - December there would be at least 16 Sundays.

Most seem very willing to take the kid's side, dismissing the Bishop as some kind of overbearing jerk. Oddly, I've met more jerk athletes (innumerable) than I have jerk Mormon Bishops (possibly one).

As I've said before, maintaining an EE is simple. Probably a breakdown in communication, in which case the student better do everything he/she can to fill the void.

Ace Tomato Co. · 02-04-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

Oddly, I've met more jerk athletes (innumerable) than I have jerk Mormon Bishops (possibly one).

This is a great point. All we have is one side of the story, yet so many on this board rush to condemn the Bishop & SP as mullahs. Whatever - I agree you are far more likely to encounter an arrogant, jerk college athlete than an overbearing, jerk BYU Bishop.

Look, anybody who went to BYU knows that nobody has good church attendance as a student, and that nobody gets kicked out for "poor attendance". Since speculation seems to be today's drink, I'd bet all I have that this bishop did all he could to keep this kid in school.

BYU71 · 02-04-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Tomato Co.

This is a great point. All we have is one side of the story, yet so many on this board rush to condemn the Bishop & SP as mullahs. Whatever - I agree you are far more likely to encounter an arrogant, jerk college athlete than an overbearing, jerk BYU Bishop.

Look, anybody who went to BYU knows that nobody has good church attendance as a student, and that nobody gets kicked out for "poor attendance". Since speculation seems to be today's drink, I'd bet all I have that this bishop did all he could to keep this kid in school.

How much would you like to bet. This isn't CB so we can put $50 on it.

In order for the Bishop to have had to do all he could to keep this kid in school, the kid would have to have broken one of God's commandments and done so repeatedly. Do we have a bet.

SteelBlue · 02-04-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

For a message board whose posters tend to pride themselves on their intellect, I would expect more out of some of you. (again, I've only read 3 or 4 posts on the topic, and am projecting those opinions onto the rest of the board).

Yes, you're the brilliant one Smails. Just make up a story that fits with your ideas and go with that. The kid must have slept with his girlfriend people. Nothing to see here, move on.

Jeff Lebowski · 02-04-2008, 03:47 PM

Could be, I suppose. Then again, it could be that the kid is telling the truth. And he gets the double-whammy of not just getting kicked out for dubious reasons, but now has to endure lots of rumors and speculation about his lack of character and the "real reasons" for the dismissal.

Sadly, these episodes tell us a lot about ourselves.

02-04-2008, 03:41 PM	#1
Judge Smails Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 211	Some people are gullible (baseball player) I don't have time to read everybody's opinion on the baseball player getting kicked out of BYU for his 60% church attendance and not requesting a calling, but if anyone's buying that I've got a bridge... I don't have any inside scoop to the situation, but if I may be so brash as to speculate, let me make a hypothesis: Said baseballer (we have baseball at BYU??) sticks his dick where it doesn't belong (or where it does belong depending upon your point of view). Baseballer meets with Bishop. Bishop refuses to sign ecclesiastical endorsement. So baller has to tell his parents he was kicked out of BYU. Dad says 'why'? Baller, to save face, lies to Dad, telling him it was for "church attendance". Father runs to media, BYU knows nothing, Bishop can't say anything. Suddenly, headlines read "BYU kicks out baseball player for skipping church". Kid won't comment, mostly because he lied about the situation, and the Bishop knows it, the SP knows it, the joint copulator knows it and well as his friends he bragged to about said copulation. Now, doesn't that make more sense than this BS Trib story. Again, I don't know what transgression the kid committed. My story was purely hypothetical, but I'm guessing it was more than ditching out on Elder's Quorum. Color me skeptical. __________________ Oh yes, I have spread my seed.

02-04-2008, 06:57 PM	#4
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Where does 60% come from? The article says 6 times since the start of school in the Fall. That puts it down around 30% at most. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

02-04-2008, 03:47 PM	#10
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Could be, I suppose. Then again, it could be that the kid is telling the truth. And he gets the double-whammy of not just getting kicked out for dubious reasons, but now has to endure lots of rumors and speculation about his lack of character and the "real reasons" for the dismissal. Sadly, these episodes tell us a lot about ourselves. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

02-04-2008, 03:47 PM	#2
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	Why is it that the people who are uncomfortable criticizing BYU in this situation are so very comfortable speculating on the morals (especially as related to fornication) of this kid?

02-04-2008, 06:59 PM	#5
livecoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,176	the article states 6 times out of 11. so 55%.