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pelagius · 02-05-2007, 07:49 PM

Here is a fun little stat looking at the time period of 2000-2007. Is just did the average ranking (massey computer ranking) during the sample period for both BYU and Utah, and looked at which one had a higher ranking:

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     +------------------------------------------------------------+
     |          team    ave_rank   med_rank   min_rank   max_rank |
     |------------------------------------------------------------|
 40. | Brigham Young   55.442857         48         32         88 |
 61. |          Utah   74.885714       68.2         32        142 |
     +------------------------------------------------------------+

Using this metric BYU has been substantially better than Utah since the year 2000: BYU's rank is 40th and Utah's rank is 61st.

Edit: These numbers are fun but they are wrong

MikeWaters · 02-05-2007, 07:51 PM

what about the 60's?

pelagius · 02-05-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

what about the 60's?

I so want to run the 60s for you, but nobody does retro rankings far back for basketball. Here are the football numbers for the 60s if it helps:

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     |          team    ave_rank   med_rank   min_rank   max_rank |
     |------------------------------------------------------------|
 63. |          Utah   59.888889         71         11         92 |
 84. | Brigham Young   80.222222         87         26        119 |
     +------------------------------------------------------------+

MikeWaters · 02-05-2007, 08:03 PM

Thanks. I wanted to make sure we could help the Ute fans feel better about themselves. It's been a tough time for them.

mpfunk · 02-05-2007, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelagius

Here is a fun little stat looking at the time period of 2000-2007. Is just did the average ranking (massey computer ranking) during the sample period for both BYU and Utah, and looked at which one had a higher ranking:

Code:

     +------------------------------------------------------------+
     |          team    ave_rank   med_rank   min_rank   max_rank |
     |------------------------------------------------------------|
 40. | Brigham Young   55.442857         48         32         88 |
 61. |          Utah   74.885714       68.2         32        142 |
     +------------------------------------------------------------+

Using this metric BYU has been substantially better than Utah since the year 2000: BYU's rank is 40th and Utah's rank is 61st.

Interesting how Utah can go to the Sweet Sixteen and have our highest rank be 32.

There are only two things that matter in college hoops. NCAA Tournament wins, and conference championships. Under these measures the Utes are far superior to BYU in the 2000's

pelagius · 02-05-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

Interesting how Utah can go to the Sweet Sixteen and have our highest rank be 32.

There are only two things that matter in college hoops. NCAA Tournament wins, and conference championships. Under these measures the Utes are far superior to BYU in the 2000's

Actually, you're right on both counts. 2005 is messed up in my data. Massey format must be different that year so my program is pulling of the wrong number.

pelagius · 02-05-2007, 08:24 PM

Feeling sheepish. mpfunk is right; I messed up. Utah is actually slightly better during the period; but it is pretty close:

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     |          team   ave_rank   med_rank   min_rank   max_rank |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------|
 49. |          Utah      63.75       44.5         13        142 |
 56. | Brigham Young      70.75         53         32        187 |
     +-----------------------------------------------------------+

All-American · 02-05-2007, 08:52 PM

Yes, but more importantly, how fared the TRUE powerhouse up north, Weber State?

jay santos · 02-05-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by All-American

Yes, but more importantly, how fared the TRUE powerhouse up north, Weber State?

I'm also concerned about the other Street and Smith's top 20 program: Princeton. Great programs always bounce back.

pelagius · 02-05-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

I'm also concerned about the other Street and Smith's top 20 program: Princeton. Great programs always bounce back.

They were both pretty dominate:

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     |      team   ave_rank   med_rank   min_rank   max_rank |
     |-------------------------------------------------------|
180. | Princeton      164.5        148        103        265 |
181. |  Weber St    165.625        166         50        263 |
     +-------------------------------------------------------+

02-05-2007, 07:49 PM	#1
pelagius Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,431	BYU vs Utah: The 2000s Here is a fun little stat looking at the time period of 2000-2007. Is just did the average ranking (massey computer ranking) during the sample period for both BYU and Utah, and looked at which one had a higher ranking: Code: +------------------------------------------------------------+ \| team ave_rank med_rank min_rank max_rank \| \|------------------------------------------------------------\| 40. \| Brigham Young 55.442857 48 32 88 \| 61. \| Utah 74.885714 68.2 32 142 \| +------------------------------------------------------------+ Using this metric BYU has been substantially better than Utah since the year 2000: BYU's rank is 40th and Utah's rank is 61st. Edit: These numbers are fun but they are wrong Last edited by pelagius; 02-05-2007 at 08:30 PM.

02-05-2007, 08:52 PM	#8
All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	Yes, but more importantly, how fared the TRUE powerhouse up north, Weber State? __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

02-05-2007, 07:51 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	what about the 60's?

02-05-2007, 08:03 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Thanks. I wanted to make sure we could help the Ute fans feel better about themselves. It's been a tough time for them.