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Old 05-29-2007, 04:44 AM   #11
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I like the Samuel Butler English translation of the Iliad that's online a lot.
And Pope's, touted even by the Introduction to Fagles' Iliad as the greatest ever (though every generation must have its own take), is also online.
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Okay, Greek scholars, so I'm an idiot, but look at the second word of the Illiad in Greek, which means sing in imperative form.

What is that second letter? It's not made the way I've seen the Greek alphabet before. Help, I'm an idiot.
It's all Greek to me.
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I like the Samuel Butler English translation of the Iliad that's online a lot.
Translations? We don't need no stinkin' translations.
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:52 AM   #14
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Hey, you've got to admire the chutzpah of the guy. I suppose once you tackle an ironman, nothing is intimidating.
Excellent point.

Would you be impressed if I told you that I've read The Godfather in Italian?
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:58 PM   #15
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Actually, the Greek is not that bad except it just requires work to memorize the endings.

Apparently, there are four letters which are not taught but used in some ancient letters.

And nobody knows how those letters were expressed for certain.
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:03 PM   #16
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This thread is great. "Hey guys, I am going to read the Illiad in Greek, but I am stuck on the second word." That's awesome, Archaea.
Just being ambitious doesn't make one good.

The prose is difficult to grasp. Perhaps I should, but won't, tackle something easier.

Here's the sentence, very first one, Lebowski, with some difficult structure.

Μηνιν αϜειδε θεά Πηληϊαδεω Αχιλῆος
ουλομενην μῡρί' Αχαιoῖς αλγε' εθηκε
πολλὰς δ' ιφθῑμους ψῡχὰς ΑϜιδι προϊαψεν
ἡρωων αυτοὺς δε Ϝελωρια τευχε κυνεσσιν
οιωνοῖσι τε πᾶσι

Note the second word is a weird imperative of to sing. It doesn't show up in my dictionary.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:40 PM   #17
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This thread is great. "Hey guys, I am going to read the Illiad in Greek, but I am stuck on the second word." That's awesome, Archaea.
Too funny.

You're doing okay if you get the first word. RAGE pretty much sums up the whole book.
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It's called a digamma. Looks like an f, sounds like a w. Or so it is thought. You haven't seen it before because it's an archaic letter that isn't listed with the rest of the greek alphabet. The w sound just went out of use.
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What is that second letter? It's not made the way I've seen the Greek alphabet before. Help, I'm an idiot.
The digamma does look like an F, but I don't think that word should have one. I suspect this site is having issues with the greek font. The accented letters are coming through sporadically, especially those with smooth/rough breathings (initial vowels).
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