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I think almost everyone who hears that counsel thinks it means "be celibate from gay sexual relations." Does anyone know of an admonition where it is said young men with SSA should not marry? |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa..._Homosexuality
http://www.narth.com/ Looks to be strongly influenced by the evangelical movement. |
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Well, at least people are talking now . . .
But this is more or less what I was afraid I would see. SU would come out with guns ablaze, claiming that it's an open and shut case and that it is scientifically proven as immutable. A few chime in some news reports and some stories they've heard about gays changing orientation, at which point SU changes his tune to "virtually no dissent." All the while, nobody seems to have access to any studies on the matter on which to hang our hat, indicating to me that it's not only far from an "open and shut" case, but that there doesn't seem to be any concordance on the matter. Quote:
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Does anybody choose their sexual feelings? That sounds very odd especially coming from a physician.
Don't you think sexual identity and "feelings" are a product of your innate inner workings and learned from the environment? You have hormonal impulses, which when coupled with environmental factors, affect sexuality. Example, if a guy has heterosexual urges, but lives a modest lifestyle, ignoring pornography and prostitutes or lascivious lifestyle, as opposed to the same guy who goes to strip joints, engages in whatever pleases him, don't you think his innate traits are affected by his behavior? It makes little sense to say anybody chooses feelings, but personal workings and environmental factors probably affect homosexuality just as they affect heterosexuality.
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But gays attest they didn't choose to be gay. This is the crux of their civil rights case and the crux of the moral issue.
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Seattle Ute reads a post by a Mormon on sexuality and he assumes we all assume the same things. Go read a review. And I can agree that nobody chooses one's initial sexual feelings. They are innate, from an early period. I can remember, faintly, my first ones, and they were at a very young age before I even understood what they were. Nature puts them there. And they are enhanced or distorted by what we do. Or changed. And basically, other than the moral right bullshit, I was agreeing with you. Moral rights are limited.
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