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MikeWaters · 02-05-2007, 01:46 PM

into perpetuity.

He signed an executive order saying that he and his heirs can assert privilege and prevent papers from being made public.

Background: Nixon tried to have his papers destroyed, but the ruling was that they belonged to the public. Later rules were made so that there was a 12 year embargo, with exceptions for national security and privacy.

Now there is no 12 year limit. The limit goes into perpetuity.

There are ongoing lawsuits.

I think this is just another example of how Bush is one of the worst presidents of all-time. It's hard to think of someone that has damaged our nation more.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...y.1f9a953.html

MikeWaters · 02-05-2007, 02:54 PM

this brings me to another point: if you care what historians are going to say about you in the future, don't piss them off by severely curtailing historical documents.

But I guess Bush is one of those types who only cares what God thinks of him, I don't know.

Cali Coug · 02-05-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

into perpetuity.

He signed an executive order saying that he and his heirs can assert privilege and prevent papers from being made public.

Background: Nixon tried to have his papers destroyed, but the ruling was that they belonged to the public. Later rules were made so that there was a 12 year embargo, with exceptions for national security and privacy.

Now there is no 12 year limit. The limit goes into perpetuity.

There are ongoing lawsuits.

I think this is just another example of how Bush is one of the worst presidents of all-time. It's hard to think of someone that has damaged our nation more.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...y.1f9a953.html

The administration has lived under a shroud of secrecy. One of Bush's first acts was to revise the Freedom of Information Act regulations for the White House, limiting information that would be made public to just that information that they were absolutely required by law to divulge.

il Padrino Ute · 02-05-2007, 05:30 PM

The only reason to not want info to go public is if you have something to hide.

Bush really ticks me off. The guy just doesn't get it.

I guess Texas does have it's flaws, eh Mike?

RockyBalboa · 02-05-2007, 08:45 PM

I could be wrong, but isn't it normal practice for Presidents to keep their papers secret or from the public until they're out of office for a few years at least?

I didn't think Pres. Bush cornered the market on that, but I could be wrong.

MikeWaters · 02-05-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I could be wrong, but isn't it normal practice for Presidents to keep their papers secret or from the public until they're out of office for a few years at least?

I didn't think Pres. Bush cornered the market on that, but I could be wrong.

Right, that was how it was, until George W. became President. Suddenly there is vileness and evilness that must be hid into the eternities.

Sleeping in EQ · 02-05-2007, 09:13 PM

Archivists are not going to like this. The national archive system was set up, in part, so the people could eventually get some sense of what their politicians were doing. The NAS isn't perfect, to be sure, but it does allow historians to get their hands are real documents.

RockyBalboa · 02-05-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Right, that was how it was, until George W. became President. Suddenly there is vileness and evilness that must be hid into the eternities.

I did not know that. Now I know.

SoCalCoug · 02-07-2007, 06:17 AM

All I can say is that I sure as hell didn't vote for him. I thought he was a clown before his first election. He hasn't done anything to change my opinion.

Cali Coug · 02-07-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Right, that was how it was, until George W. became President. Suddenly there is vileness and evilness that must be hid into the eternities.

It will be reversed by some future president (though that will be an odd breach of presidential protocol).

02-05-2007, 01:46 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Bush prevents WH Records from being public into perpetuity. He signed an executive order saying that he and his heirs can assert privilege and prevent papers from being made public. Background: Nixon tried to have his papers destroyed, but the ruling was that they belonged to the public. Later rules were made so that there was a 12 year embargo, with exceptions for national security and privacy. Now there is no 12 year limit. The limit goes into perpetuity. There are ongoing lawsuits. I think this is just another example of how Bush is one of the worst presidents of all-time. It's hard to think of someone that has damaged our nation more. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...y.1f9a953.html

02-05-2007, 05:30 PM	#4
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	The only reason to not want info to go public is if you have something to hide. Bush really ticks me off. The guy just doesn't get it. I guess Texas does have it's flaws, eh Mike? __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

02-05-2007, 08:45 PM	#5
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	I could be wrong, but isn't it normal practice for Presidents to keep their papers secret or from the public until they're out of office for a few years at least? I didn't think Pres. Bush cornered the market on that, but I could be wrong. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

02-05-2007, 09:13 PM	#7
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	Archivists are not going to like this. The national archive system was set up, in part, so the people could eventually get some sense of what their politicians were doing. The NAS isn't perfect, to be sure, but it does allow historians to get their hands are real documents. __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

02-07-2007, 06:17 AM	#9
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	All I can say is that I sure as hell didn't vote for him. I thought he was a clown before his first election. He hasn't done anything to change my opinion. __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

02-05-2007, 02:54 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	this brings me to another point: if you care what historians are going to say about you in the future, don't piss them off by severely curtailing historical documents. But I guess Bush is one of those types who only cares what God thinks of him, I don't know.