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MikeWaters · 12-13-2007, 01:53 PM

must have been that in the latter-days, God wanted to make sure that those people that believed in racial equality would have a negative impression of the church and be less receptive to its message, making the bar for them that much higher.

Very inspired.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-j...i_b_76475.html

The El Jefes of the world have been trying so hard for so long to suppress any conversation about this. And now a tidal wave of negativity may engulf the church.

We have only ourselves to blame.

TripletDaddy · 12-13-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The El Jefes of the world have been trying so hard for so long to suppress any conversation about this. And now a tidal wave of negativity may engulf the church.

We have only ourselves to blame.

I am seeing a new wrinkle to your persona....melodrama!

I dub this thread..."A Very Special Episode of mikewaters"....

MikeWaters · 12-13-2007, 02:04 PM

Considering that most Mormons can't tell you much about racism in the church, or Joseph Smith's wives, I think I can safely say that within a matter of months there will be more Mormons and more non-Mormons aware of these issues at least in the form of soundbytes and innuendo, than ever before in history by orders of magnitude.

Ah, the value of innoculation.

You know your shtick was a lot more funny on CB. Too bad it didn't translate very well to this site.

BYU71 · 12-13-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Considering that most Mormons can't tell you much about racism in the church, or Joseph Smith's wives, I think I can safely say that within a matter of months there will be more Mormons and more non-Mormons aware of these issues at least in the form of soundbytes and innuendo, than ever before in history by orders of magnitude.

Ah, the value of innoculation.

You know your shtick was a lot more funny on CB. Too bad it didn't translate very well to this site.

C'mon Mike. Lighten up. that was really pretty good.

Would you rather he just come out and call you a dumb ass.

Indy Coug · 12-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Was the ban of non-Levitical priesthood holders policy or doctrine?

MikeWaters · 12-13-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Was the ban of non-Levitical priesthood holders policy or doctrine?

were they black?

BYU71 · 12-13-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

must have been that in the latter-days, God wanted to make sure that those people that believed in racial equality would have a negative impression of the church and be less receptive to its message, making the bar for them that much higher.

Very inspired.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-j...i_b_76475.html

The El Jefes of the world have been trying so hard for so long to suppress any conversation about this. And now a tidal wave of negativity may engulf the church.

We have only ourselves to blame.

The tidal wave will engulf because a mormon is in the spotlight for something very important. Therefor comments from dopes like O'Donnell and this Davis jackass get picked up. They have felt that way for a long time, but Mitt running provides them the opportunity to spew their garbage. Yes, it is garbage because of the way they go about spewing it.

You want to make a strong accusation against the church and our beliefs and former beliefs, I have no problem with that. However, do it in a controlled manner or even a humorous manner like they did on South Park.

Filled with anger and hate their opinions are worthless to me. It is emotional speak.

I will agree with you that the church members who love to shut down discussion and put their heads in the sand do us no real favor, but I wouldn't use O'Donell and the Huffington report as evidence of how closure of thought hurts us. They themselves represent closure of thought the other way.

Indy Coug · 12-13-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

were they black?

Does it matter? They were being discriminated against.

TripletDaddy · 12-13-2007, 02:20 PM

That article you posted says nothing, absolutely nothing, that hasn't been said countless times elsewhere.

If you have noticed, attacks on the Church do not really find much success. The Church just keeps growing. So your claims are overblown....as usual. We only have ourselves to blame? What does that mean? Blame for what?

Weren't you one of the people on CB predicting doom when all the MMM stuff was coming to light as a result of that recent movie? So much for that.

I would agree that my stuff on CB is better, because there are more easy targets there. Here, there are really only or two easy targets, so it makes my work tougher. By the way, which IP address are you posting from today?

MikeWaters · 12-13-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

The tidal wave will engulf because a mormon is in the spotlight for something very important. Therefor comments from dopes like O'Donnell and this Davis jackass get picked up. They have felt that way for a long time, but Mitt running provides them the opportunity to spew their garbage. Yes, it is garbage because of the way they go about spewing it.

You want to make a strong accusation against the church and our beliefs and former beliefs, I have no problem with that. However, do it in a controlled manner or even a humorous manner like they did on South Park.

Filled with anger and hate their opinions are worthless to me. It is emotional speak.

I will agree with you that the church members who love to shut down discussion and put their heads in the sand do us no real favor, but I wouldn't use O'Donell and the Huffington report as evidence of how closure of thought hurts us. They themselves represent closure of thought the other way.

The two most tawdry elements, arguably, of Mormon history are 1) racism and 2) Joseph Smith's polygamous marriages.

The latter is especially not well known even among members.

In fact, I predict you will have many members announcing that true facts are actually lies. Imagine the confusion that will result, when they realize that they themselves have lied. Will they feel lied to, or deceived?

Such a process is not innoculation. It is full blown disease.

Better get the cure ready.

12-13-2007, 01:53 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The purpose of Blacks and the Priesthood ban must have been that in the latter-days, God wanted to make sure that those people that believed in racial equality would have a negative impression of the church and be less receptive to its message, making the bar for them that much higher. Very inspired. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-j...i_b_76475.html The El Jefes of the world have been trying so hard for so long to suppress any conversation about this. And now a tidal wave of negativity may engulf the church. We have only ourselves to blame.

12-13-2007, 02:20 PM	#9
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	That article you posted says nothing, absolutely nothing, that hasn't been said countless times elsewhere. If you have noticed, attacks on the Church do not really find much success. The Church just keeps growing. So your claims are overblown....as usual. We only have ourselves to blame? What does that mean? Blame for what? Weren't you one of the people on CB predicting doom when all the MMM stuff was coming to light as a result of that recent movie? So much for that. I would agree that my stuff on CB is better, because there are more easy targets there. Here, there are really only or two easy targets, so it makes my work tougher. By the way, which IP address are you posting from today? __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

12-13-2007, 02:04 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Considering that most Mormons can't tell you much about racism in the church, or Joseph Smith's wives, I think I can safely say that within a matter of months there will be more Mormons and more non-Mormons aware of these issues at least in the form of soundbytes and innuendo, than ever before in history by orders of magnitude. Ah, the value of innoculation. You know your shtick was a lot more funny on CB. Too bad it didn't translate very well to this site.

12-13-2007, 02:14 PM	#5
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Was the ban of non-Levitical priesthood holders policy or doctrine?