07-18-2006, 03:52 PM | #31 | |
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Robin's experience with the Church sounds quite similar to my own. At some point I realized that I just didn't belong. I often tell my wife that while I don't believe that the Church is true, I don't discount the possibility that it could be true. But I add that even if it were true, It's not something that I really want to be a part of. God may indeed be playing a cosmic game of hide-and-seek with us, but it's a game that I don't enjoy and one that I choose not play.
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07-18-2006, 03:57 PM | #32 | |
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I always found it odd in the LDS community the vitriol associated with thought outside the mainstream. I always found it weird that people in the LDS get offended when different points of view are presented. |
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07-18-2006, 04:02 PM | #33 | |
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But, UtahDan's point remains valid. If these are sincere questions, he should work them out either by himself or with ecclisastical leaders. As long as he can answer all of the temple recommend questions in the right way, I have no problem with the man. If he is lying and still going to the temple and about to get married there....well that is very unfortunate indeed. |
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07-18-2006, 04:04 PM | #34 | |
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Not that I care so much. I am considered somewhat of a troll myself. I think some people think of you as the 4 year old kid who does nothing but ask questions. Why this, why that. Some people have a limit as to how many questions they are willing to entertain. For me, I have my own limit when it comes to people bashing the church. I told Robin that if he was going to call me and just bash the church, to not bother, because I wasn't interested in listening. So he stopped bashing the church when he talked to me. Not that you are bashing the church. But I just point out that people have their limits. |
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07-18-2006, 04:13 PM | #35 | |
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I have been 100% sincere and open here, just like most who participate with frequency. It's easy to tell the difference between a Mike Waters post here and on the board, just like it's easy to tell the difference between a Seattle Ute and a Catblue post. I guess my questions, aimed to get different points of view on points of the gospel I find interesting, lead to the assumption that I am a fence sitting, liar. My apologies. I honestly think there is something more to the gospel, church history, the temple ceremony, and beliefs we, as active members, all hold dear to our hearts, I guess I am searching for a kindred spirit to talk about certain things, Oh Dan, Where Art Thou? |
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07-18-2006, 04:21 PM | #36 |
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Dan stretches in both directions. He encompasses the range from scary liberal to scary devout.
I think most of those critical with some of your posts would put you more in the "scary liberal" category. Hence Dan is more likely to get a receptive audience. And he often couches his posts in terms of "I have a strong testimony of the gospel and the restored church." If you want to keep your audience, sometimes you have to reassure them that you aren't dancing between the sheets with the Tanners. |
07-18-2006, 04:25 PM | #37 | |
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07-18-2006, 04:29 PM | #38 | |
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But I know people take on different personalities on different boards. At CB, I'm basically a tease/troll; at Utefans, an impatient curmudgeon; here sort of agnositic amateur bard.
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07-18-2006, 04:35 PM | #39 | |
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07-18-2006, 05:28 PM | #40 |
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I would just like to address the content of most of your questions.
I think that your arguments are failed from the beginning based solely on definitions. You continue to use the terms salvation and exaltation interchangeabley. They are as interchangeable as justification and sanctification. Also, I think you would do well to really understand the definition of the priesthood that we currently use for church administration. How it realtes to Gods power and the temple. it appears from your posts that you are taking a shot but falling well short of the mark. Almost as if you are looking at the gospel through a straw. Just my opinion of what you have posted. Take it for what it's worth. |
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