The 'official' lesson on selecting an eternal companion.....

[exUte]

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vg...____&hideNav=1

Contrast that to what Mike Waters claimed earlier.

[TripletDaddy]

You can't expect to be taken seriously about this lesson if you just post it in its entirety.

Please complete the specific preparatory steps outlined in the manual and then come back to discuss the lesson content.

Specifically:

1. Prayerfully study Doctrine and Covenants 9:7–9 and 131:1–4.
2. Materials needed:
a. Copies of the scriptures (each young man should bring his own).
b. Pencils for marking scriptures.
3. If it is available in your area, and you are teaching this lesson to priest-age young men, you could show The Importance of Proper Dating, on Family Home Evening Video Supplement 2

[cougarobgon]

Originally Posted by exUte

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vg...____&hideNav=1

Contrast that to what Mike Waters claimed earlier.

I have been following the other thread originally posted by Mike Waters. Not knowing the makeup of the board, I will assume I am the board's token "minority" with brown skin who has never seen a Monty Python movie. Am I offended by the quote? NO. Do I believe the quote is outdated and should not be used in the Church's curriculum? YES. Could other so called "minorities" be offended after reading the quote? YES. Should they be offended? NO. President Hinckley clearly stated there is no place in this Church for racial discrimination. However, it is unfortunate that the quote got by the AP manual's editor.

My concern with the quote is how it is being taught in YM's classes. Is the quote just being read without a discussion of the racial component? If it isn't being discussed, I believe the YM are left to interpret the quote for themselves and many will see it as a racist statement and will be affected by it in some way or another. I am also interested to know why the quote was included in the YM's manual and not in the YW's manual, despite the YW also being taught lessons on preparing for marriage. I quickly looked over the YW's manual and the manual included other quotes that could have been used.

Despite the quote, the Church will continue to prosper and all will be well.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by cougarobgon

I have been following the other thread originally posted by Mike Waters. Not knowing the makeup of the board, I will assume I am the board's token "minority" with brown skin who has never seen a Monty Python movie. Am I offended by the quote? NO. Do I believe the quote is outdated and should not be used in the Church's curriculum? YES. Could other so called "minorities" be offended after reading the quote? YES. Should they be offended? NO. President Hinckley clearly stated there is no place in this Church for racial discrimination. However, it is unfortunate that the quote got by the AP manual's editor.

My concern with the quote is how it is being taught in YM's classes. Is the quote just being read without a discussion of the racial component? If it isn't being discussed, I believe the YM are left to interpret the quote for themselves and many will see it as a racist statement and will be affected by it in some way or another. I am also interested to know why the quote was included in the YM's manual and not in the YW's manual, despite the YW also being taught lessons on preparing for marriage. I quickly looked over the YW's manual and the manual included other quotes that could have been used.

Despite the quote, the Church will continue to prosper and all will be well.

You still havent' seen a monty python movie? Get thee to netflix.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You can't expect to be taken seriously about this lesson if you just post it in its entirety.

Please complete the specific preparatory steps outlined in the manual and then come back to discuss the lesson content.

Specifically:

1. Prayerfully study Doctrine and Covenants 9:7–9 and 131:1–4.
2. Materials needed:
a. Copies of the scriptures (each young man should bring his own).
b. Pencils for marking scriptures.
3. If it is available in your area, and you are teaching this lesson to priest-age young men, you could show The Importance of Proper Dating, on Family Home Evening Video Supplement 2

your wiggle room. Inappropriate? My point was that MW made a claim that is not backed up by facts. Just providing the facts.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by cougarobgon

I have been following the other thread originally posted by Mike Waters. Not knowing the makeup of the board, I will assume I am the board's token "minority" with brown skin who has never seen a Monty Python movie. Am I offended by the quote? NO. Do I believe the quote is outdated and should not be used in the Church's curriculum? YES. Could other so called "minorities" be offended after reading the quote? YES. Should they be offended? NO. President Hinckley clearly stated there is no place in this Church for racial discrimination. However, it is unfortunate that the quote got by the AP manual's editor.

My concern with the quote is how it is being taught in YM's classes. Is the quote just being read without a discussion of the racial component? If it isn't being discussed, I believe the YM are left to interpret the quote for themselves and many will see it as a racist statement and will be affected by it in some way or another. I am also interested to know why the quote was included in the YM's manual and not in the YW's manual, despite the YW also being taught lessons on preparing for marriage. I quickly looked over the YW's manual and the manual included other quotes that could have been used.

Despite the quote, the Church will continue to prosper and all will be well.

they use the term 'generally'. The point was that MW was misrepresenting what is in the 'official' literature, to suit his agenda........that being B&M about the Church every chance he gets.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by exUte

they use the term 'generally'. The point was that MW was misrepresenting what is in the 'official' literature, to suit his agenda........that being B&M about the Church every chance he gets.

If you don't see it, then you're blind. "Generally."

[LA Ute]

. . . so I haven't followed any of these threads. I'll repeat here what I wrote on Mike's original thread:

I was unaware of the offending language (we never got to this lesson when I was YM president, I guess, or maybe I wasn't there that day). I have only Manuals 1 and 2 with me, so I can't check the current Manual 3:

*****

Manual 3, lesson 31:

"Compare the results of the vote with the following statement by President Spencer W. Kimball. Have a young man read it.

“'We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question'” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144)."[/i]

*****

I have these responses:

1. I really hope this comes out of the manual. It's dated and too easy to misunderstand. (I am mildly surprised that it's still there. The Church has changed a lot since the early 70's.) In fact, I'm going to write a letter to that effect.

2. I bet this will come out of the manuals the next time a revised version is printed.

3. It's actually a pretty benign statement and is simply an effort to help kids understand ways to maximize their chances of a successful marriage.

4. My wife and I don't care a whit about the racial background of our kids' marriage choices. We care a lot about whether the prospective partner has a testimony and is spiritually committed to the gospel, has good character, etc.

5. I do think people need to be realistic about marital choices. I read a DesNews story about an African-American Mormon woman who married a white Mormon man, then complained that everyone treated them as "different" in the town they lived in. That town? Rexburg, Idaho. Well, ya think?

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by exUte

they use the term 'generally'. The point was that MW was misrepresenting what is in the 'official' literature, to suit his agenda........that being B&M about the Church every chance he gets.

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