More fallout from gay marriage spat

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

The SL Trib loves to do anything to stir up contention when it comes to the LDS Church, so it isn't surprising that this article was written. I've always decided that when it comes to something like this situation, because it's in the Trib, it's most likely not as bad as it sounds, just like stuff in the DesNews is most likely not as rosy as reported.

It seems that every time something comes up involving a member of the LDS church, especially if it involves some sort of illegal activity, the Trib is more than glad to report it and point out that the alleged criminal is LDS. I remember about 15 years or so ago, there was some sort of white collar crime that ended in homicide and there were three who were charged with murder. One of the perps was LDS and it was reported as such, but nothing was said about the religious affiliation of the other two.

Somewhat understandable. There are people who feel it is shoved down there throat in this area, Utah, that mormons are better people than everyone else. When people feel that way they look for every opportunity to point out, you have problems too. I thnk that is some of what underscores a lot of the dislike for BYU.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You should take that point up with black folks. go into a predominantly black neighborhood and go door to to door, letting them all know the error of their ways.

There was a guy in my BYU ward who was from Joberg, South Africa. White as a sheet. And he jokingly told people he was African American. He actually was correct, I guess.

Why can't we simply refer to them as American?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Somewhat understandable. There are people who feel it is shoved down there throat in this area, Utah, that mormons are better people than everyone else. When people feel that way they look for every opportunity to point out, you have problems too. I thnk that is some of what underscores a lot of the dislike for BYU.

I can agree with this when it comes to individuals. But a newspaper? I always thought the reporting of news was supposed to be objective.

[woot]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Why can't we simply refer to them as American?

That would be a good solution too. The reason why most of these labels are so silly is because skin color really is the only operative factor here. Black skin was developed in Africa (because that's where humanity emerged), but it was maintained in various equatorial locations outside of africa, while white skin developed in all sorts of non-equatorial locations. I've already mentioned how the entire concept of human races is completely absurd. Other features associated with black skin are not actually universal, and those who possess none of the usual features other than black skin are still considered black. Therefore, black and white are the only sensible labels, if a label must be used.

[woot]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I can agree with this when it comes to individuals. But a newspaper? I always thought the reporting of news was supposed to be objective.

Even if we assume they are trying to be objective, something like that might sneak through due to underlying personal biases. It also might be that these stories/mentions of LDS membership are just very relevant and they assume their readership would be interested to know about it.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Why can't we simply refer to them as American?

That is what I prefer. Once you start introducing ancestry, where does it end? How many different lineages do you highlight when introducing yourself?

I think "afro-carib" is a cool sounding lineage. I have sometimes toyed with the idea of using it personally, but I have a feeling people would call my bluff.

I also like "pacific islander."

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

Even if we assume they are trying to be objective, something like that might sneak through due to underlying personal biases. It also might be that these stories/mentions of LDS membership are just very relevant and they assume their readership would be interested to know about it.

In most cases, I can agree with this. In the particular story I mentioned, it turned out that the guy had been an inactive Mormon for many years before the crime occurred.

I don't believe that the Trib has an agenda; rather, I think it's biased and is willing to be the mouthpiece of those who dislike the presence of the LDS church.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

That is what I prefer. Once you start introducing ancestry, where does it end? How many different lineages do you highlight when introducing yourself?

I think "afro-carib" is a cool sounding lineage. I have sometimes toyed with the idea of using it personally, but I have a feeling people would call my bluff.

I also like "pacific islander."

Since the demise of the Soviet Union, I prefer to refer to myself as a Super-Powerite.

[Colly Wolly]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Somewhat understandable. There are people who feel it is shoved down there throat in this area, Utah, that mormons are better people than everyone else. When people feel that way they look for every opportunity to point out, you have problems too. I thnk that is some of what underscores a lot of the dislike for BYU.

Bingo. I think many of the non-LDS people I work with have this frustration. The Collie comments in particular just will not go away. Any time something bad happens at work, there is always some sort of "so and so wasn't living right, on and off the field" quip.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

It is already happening, hermano.

My niece was in a HS play called (quite humerously) "The Phantom of the Oprah." I asked her if they had a black student playing Oprah and my niece swiftly corrected me saying that african american is the terminology of chouce.

I dont view this is PC gone amok, but rather as evidence of your hypothesis.

I think in 20 years, we will all look back at this and say to ourselves, "why the heck did I care so much if two gay people wanted to wear rings and get married?" I dont think homosexuality will be acceptable within the Gospel, but I do think that, as a whole, we will be more aware and sensitive in greater numbers towards gays.

Unfortunately, we will have also likely moved on to the next group to fear, hate, and ostracize. Maybe amputees? The elderly? Cyclists?

FWIW, "black" is the preferred term over African American in the Associated Press Stylebook. American Indian is preferred over Native American.