Sex in the temple?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

This is getting ugly:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8872379?source=rv

Sadly, the majority of people in the world will not distinguish FLDS from LDS. I suppose this is the price that we continue to pay for polygamy.

Meanwhile, a majority of Utahns are just fine with removing the children:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695269082,00.html

I thought the title of your post might be an idea to get higher temple attendance. I feel misled.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Spaz

Personally, if authorities suspected I was abusing my kid, I'd hope they'd separate me from her until they were sure it was OK.

Note that I would demand that they had a reasonable reason to suspect the abuse...

that reasonable reason has not resulting in identifying the girl as of yet or her baby and the man she accuses, according to his parole officer, has not left Arizona.

But that reasonable reason justifies taking 400+ children from their home? Ok.

Let that slipperly slope begin.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Spaz

The idea that the authorities in Texas would ignore the reports of an informant, waiting for corroborative evidence before asking for a search warrant, receiving it, and then performing said search, is far more disturbing to me than the idea of the authorities taking the children to a safe place until their safety is assured.


exute, you're once again showing the unimpressive limits of your intellect.



The authorities were, in fact, authorized to search for evidence to locate this girl & evidence of reported crimes. I was not aware that evidence ofcrimes discovered during the legal search for evidence of a separate crime is considered illegal search.

Searching for evidence justifies taking 400 children from their families? Talk about intellect. Sounds a bit Hitlerish to me........how about you? Seig heil!

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by Tex

Perhaps. I'm all for protecting abuse of women, underage or not, but if in the process of saving one abused girl we totally destroy/disrupt the lives of 399 others who are not being abused, something is wrong with the process.

Now that's not to say that this is exactly the case here, but if we're talking hypothetically, then it's a valid concern. The gov't ought to have exceptionally good cause before they can take away your children.

I don't begrudge Texas Child Services the job of sorting out the abused from the non-abused in this case. Keep in mind, they're not separating the children from their mothers - they were perfectly willing to allow the mothers to accompany their children.


In a case where there's obvious evidence of child abuse on this scale being perpetrated by numerous men, I think they've handled things perfectly well to this point.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Tex

Perhaps. I'm all for protecting abuse of women, underage or not, but if in the process of saving one abused girl we totally destroy/disrupt the lives of 399 others who are not being abused, something is wrong with the process.

Now that's not to say that this is exactly the case here, but if we're talking hypothetically, then it's a valid concern. The gov't ought to have exceptionally good cause before they can take away your children.

I agree. They should have exceptionally good cause.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by exUte

Searching for evidence justifies taking 400 children from their families? Talk about intellect. Sounds a bit Hitlerish to me........how about you? Seig heil!

Bah. I'm done arguing with you, as you seem incapable of understanding anything but your own limited viewpoint. Hence - limited intellect.

In searching for evidence related to this particular warrant, they discovered the following:

-underaged girls being pregnant or having children of their own.
-evidence of physical & sexual abuse, on a massive scale.
-evidence of emotional & mental abuse, on a massive scale.
-evidence these crimes are being committed by numerous individuals, and is accepted by the whole as appropriate.

Having discovered such evidence, they would be REMISS in not assuring the abuse didn't continue until they were able to sort out the perpetrators from the innocent.


The fact that you can't comprehend this, and that your only recourse for arguing your case is to mock & call on the Hitler card is evidence of your lack of intellect.


In essence, you're damning yourself.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Spaz

Bah. I'm done arguing with you, as you seem incapable of understanding anything but your own limited viewpoint. Hence - limited intellect.

In searching for evidence related to this particular warrant, they discovered the following:

-underaged girls being pregnant or having children of their own.
-evidence of physical & sexual abuse, on a massive scale.
-evidence of emotional & mental abuse, on a massive scale.
-evidence these crimes are being committed by numerous individuals, and is accepted by the whole as appropriate.

Having discovered such evidence, they would be REMISS in not assuring the abuse didn't continue until they were able to sort out the perpetrators from the innocent.


The fact that you can't comprehend this, and that your only recourse for arguing your case is to mock & call on the Hitler card is evidence of your lack of intellect.


In essence, you're damning yourself.

or your personal attack re: intellect. They are different? BTW........I have read numerous accounts and have not heard of such evidence......stories yes, but no evidence. Or do you consider the media as evidentiary sources?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Meanwhile, a majority of Utahns are just fine with removing the children:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695269082,00.html

Sorry Utahns, you can't wash your hands of them. Any more than any Muslim can say, "Osama who?" That was my original point. Brigham Young et al. created this mess in the first place. It's on them. The Mormon Church deserves to be associated in some way with the Orthodox LDS. In fact, from what I've read on CB most devout Mormon men would welcome a return to the old hillbilly days of going into the school houses and picking the sweetest young things for wives and concubines.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I thought the title of your post might be an idea to get higher temple attendance. I feel misled.

I thought it was an addendum to his review of that book he read on the original weird practices in the temple.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Sorry Utahns, you can't wash your hands of them. Any more than any Muslim can say, "Osama who?" That was my original point. Brigham Young et al. created this mess in the first place. It's on them. The Mormon Church deserves to be associated in some way with the Orthodox LDS. In fact, from what I've read on CB most devout Mormon men would welcome a return to the old hillbilly days of going into the school houses and picking the sweetest young things for wives and concubines.

If SeattleUte didn't masturbate, would his self-loathing decrease? I don't care what your mother or Deacon's Quorum advisor taught you, you got every right to yank it when you feel so inspired. Apes do it all the time, hence it is natural.