Prop 8 stuff heating up

[SoCalCoug]

In priesthood opening exercises today, they asked for a show of hands from the priesthood (they also did it in the Relief Society) from all those who would commit to spend a Saturday morning going door-to-door in support of Prop 8. The ward clerk took a count.

I didn't raise my hand.

After the meeting, my father-in-law (who is in our ward - in fact, he was sitting next to me in priesthood opening exercises) said that one particular high priest in the ward, who my in-laws really dislike intensely - both he and his wife, in fact - commented that he was disturbed that not all the hands went up, and he questioned the testimony of anyone who didn't raise their hand.

My testimony's just fine, by the way.

The next 3-4 months are going to be a little interesting.

[Gidget]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

In priesthood opening exercises today, they asked for a show of hands from the priesthood (they also did it in the Relief Society) from all those who would commit to spend a Saturday morning going door-to-door in support of Prop 8. The ward clerk took a count.

I didn't raise my hand.

After the meeting, my father-in-law (who is in our ward - in fact, he was sitting next to me in priesthood opening exercises) said that one particular high priest in the ward, who my in-laws really dislike intensely - both he and his wife, in fact - commented that he was disturbed that not all the hands went up, and he questioned the testimony of anyone who didn't raise their hand.

My testimony's just fine, by the way.

The next 3-4 months are going to be a little interesting.

Questioning testimonies? Wow, What an idiot. I don't think I would do that anyway, but I really wouldn't just to piss off that guy.

[scottie]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

In priesthood opening exercises today, they asked for a show of hands from the priesthood (they also did it in the Relief Society) from all those who would commit to spend a Saturday morning going door-to-door in support of Prop 8. The ward clerk took a count.

I didn't raise my hand.
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SoCalCoug, what percentage raised their hand?

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by scottie

SoCalCoug, what percentage raised their hand?

The mullah in question mentioned that about 75% raised their hands. I wasn't really looking around, but it looked like a large majority.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

In priesthood opening exercises today, they asked for a show of hands from the priesthood (they also did it in the Relief Society) from all those who would commit to spend a Saturday morning going door-to-door in support of Prop 8. The ward clerk took a count.

I didn't raise my hand.

After the meeting, my father-in-law (who is in our ward - in fact, he was sitting next to me in priesthood opening exercises) said that one particular high priest in the ward, who my in-laws really dislike intensely - both he and his wife, in fact - commented that he was disturbed that not all the hands went up, and he questioned the testimony of anyone who didn't raise their hand.

My testimony's just fine, by the way.

The next 3-4 months are going to be a little interesting.

Hang in there, SoCal. Some of the zealots are just primed to go on a rampage.

[SeattleUte]

Love it. I'm loving this.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Love it. I'm loving this.

Why? I honestly don't get it. The church brings a lot of people a lot of happiness. It doesn't bring you happiness anymore, and I get that. What I don't understand is why you would rejoice that other people are having a difficult time with an institution that forms a core part of their identity and belief system. Of what value is it to you to wish for them to be more unhappy with the church? I certainly don't sit at home feeling thrilled when another scandal breaks in the Catholic church, or when I read an article about the struggle of the Jews in Israel.

To me, it reeks of desperation. Desperation for you to feel vindicated that you made the right decision in leaving the church. You won't find vindication in the areas where you are looking, SU.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Why? I honestly don't get it. The church brings a lot of people a lot of happiness. It doesn't bring you happiness anymore, and I get that. What I don't understand is why you would rejoice that other people are having a difficult time with an institution that forms a core part of their identity and belief system. Of what value is it to you to wish for them to be more unhappy with the church? I certainly don't sit at home feeling thrilled when another scandal breaks in the Catholic church, or when I read an article about the struggle of the Jews in Israel.

To me, it reeks of desperation. Desperation for you to feel vindicated that you made the right decision in leaving the church. You won't find vindication in the areas where you are looking, SU.

Your reply speaks volumes. Is the Church making you happy now?

"You won't find vindication in the areas where you are looking, SU." I don't distinguish between the "areas" to which I think you might be referring and the area that is the subject of this thread. I think they are of a single monolithic piece and I don't see how you cold see things otherwise.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Your reply speaks volumes. Is the Church making you happy now?

"You won't find vindication in the areas where you are looking, SU." I don't distinguish between the "areas" to which I think you might be referring and the area that is the subject of this thread. I think they are of a single monolithic piece and I don't see how you cold see things otherwise.

Yes, the church brings me a tremendous amount of happiness and satisfaction. I disagree strongly with the church on this issue, but I would disagree strongly with any organization to which I am or would be a part on some topic or other. I am an American, and I disagree passionately with much of what I see happening in America (as do you). If you are looking for perfection in an organization, we both know it will be a fruitless search. Thus, your view of the church as a "single monolithic piece" likely isn't consistent with your views of any other organization and isn't reasonable in any event.

By the way, you carefully dodged the main crux of my post, which was a question to you about why you take joy in watching others feel disappointed in an organization of which they are a part.

The church has been wrong on some weighty issues in the past. To their credit, over time they appear to get most of them right (which you certainly can't say for all organizations). A large reason they get them right is the voice of the members inside the organization who push for change.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Yes, the church brings me a tremendous amount of happiness and satisfaction. I disagree strongly with the church on this issue, but I would disagree strongly with any organization to which I am or would be a part on some topic or other. I am an American, and I disagree passionately with much of what I see happening in America (as do you). If you are looking for perfection in an organization, we both know it will be a fruitless search. Thus, your view of the church as a "single monolithic piece" likely isn't consistent with your views of any other organization and isn't reasonable in any event.

By the way, you carefully dodged the main crux of my post, which was a question to you about why you take joy in watching others feel disappointed in an organization of which they are a part.

The church has been wrong on some weighty issues in the past. To their credit, over time they appear to get most of them right (which you certainly can't say for all organizations). A large reason they get them right is the voice of the members inside the organization who push for change.

My motives are pure. I think it causes a net loss in happiness overall because it is an enemy of liberty and the examined life.