The problem with Limited Geography,

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by creekster

That's a crock. You are as close minded if not more so than any apologist. Look at your posts in this thread. You are not interested in considering infromaiton, as you have reached your conclusions and force feed everything into them, whether they fit easily or not.

you just proved AA's statement true also.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

http://www.allempires.com/article/in..._ancient_india

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_Empire

Also, southern Mexico, at the time of European arrival, had the highest population density in the world.

Moreover, even with modern knowledge, there are still disputes over the number of dead in wars, sometimes the disputed number is the hundreds of thousands! (i.e. Vietnam).

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Compare reed boat construction between the Nile and Lake Titicaca.

What about Olmec heads with distinctly African facial traits?

These comparanda seem to me to indicate a large (not limited) geography model.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

you just proved AA's statement true also.

As opposed to what you are doing? So criticiszing others for arguing with him=cool, but arguing =uncool?

Lighten up, Francis. You may have noticed this is a stinkin' internet message board and it is all a crock to some degree or another.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Solon

These comparanda seem to me to indicate a large (not limited) geography model.

Not necessarily. As I understand Indy's point, they are evidence of cultural exchange with no other explanation or evidence of the exchange. IOW, it probably happened and if it happened there, why not as in the BoM? Indy can correct me if I am wrong.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Is it possible that you are projecting certain American societal insecurities on the church? Would it not be accurate to say that your perception that there is a large scale problem in the church is heavily influenced by the reality that there is a large scale problem at work in American society?

Maybe so. That's an interesting idea. I'm going to think about this for a few days, come up with some better examples, and (following MRD's advice) see if I can frame it as a question in another thread.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by creekster

As opposed to what you are doing? So criticiszing others for arguing with him=cool, but arguing =uncool?

Lighten up, Francis. You may have noticed this is a stinkin' internet message board and it is all a crock to some degree or another.

gimme a break. you're calling him out on a logical fallacy? how long have you been doing this? he's like a stray lover you're hoping someday will change. and he knows this.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

gimme a break. you're calling him out on a logical fallacy? how long have you been doing this? he's like a stray lover you're hoping someday will change. and he knows this.

SO what's your excuse?

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Solon

These comparanda seem to me to indicate a large (not limited) geography model.

Why would God select Lehi’s family as an elect people and send them into abject isolation? It doesn’t make sense in context to the nature of God we as LDS espouse. Would it not make more sense that he preserved Lehi’s family as an elect people and sent them to influence and affect positive change in ‘gentile’ populations of his children in the western hemisphere.

Consider that, after Joseph Smiths death, God sent his elect people with Brigham Young at the head into isolation in the Salt Lake valley not merely to preserve them but to allow them to prepare to fill the earth with his gospel through missionary work. There’s so much more to the story that we just don’t have, and maybe never will receive, but I am not comfortable with the notion of limited geography.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by creekster

SO what's your excuse?

for what? I don't argue with him. he's thinking right now, hahahah look at these dutzes, indulge me every time.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I have a challenge for you. I've said there's no evidence to support the Book of Mormon. None. I could marshal a great deal that goes the other way including "translated" text that was cribbed from the KJV, talk of horses and steel, etc. You want to have it both ways. You don't want to abandon claims of historicity and still hold out for some occult archeological dig with all the old world animals and implements of steel and gold books described in the B of M. Just give me a mustard seed of evidence. Give me a speck. No one would give it fair consideration like I would, I promise you. I bet you can't do that.

Okay SU. You asked for it. We welcome you back to the faith of your fathers.

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/turn...ch.asp?id=1435

http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/...&CISOPTR=14961