UFC vs Pride

[MikeWaters]

Mike Tyson signed up with PRIDE, but now his cocaine habit is putting that relationship in jeapordy.

If Tyson does well in PRIDE or UFC that will completely discredit MMA athletes.

[Venkman]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

In his prime, Ali would have destroyed Liddell, no matter what ring they were in. He was lightning quick, had a huge punch with either hand and could get into anyone's head. He's not called the greatest for nothing.

I believe before he went wacko, Tyson could have taken Liddell easily as well, no matter the fight. A street brawler who was trained just enough in boxing to destroy the competition.

Lennox Lewis. Evander Holyfield and guys like this would beat him as well.

It just bothers me that boxing has gone downhill like it has. Thanks a lot, Don King. Jerk.

There was a guy on the Dan Patrick show the other day talking about the decline of boxing, particularly heavyweights. He said something like "the best boxers are in the NFL", meaning few great athletes (at least in the upper weight classes) choose boxing as a sport anymore.

[MikeWaters]

The current best heavyweight boxers are not Americans. Hence the view that heavyweight boxing sucks.

Boxing is on the decline because parents aren't steering their kids towards it.

Colleges gave up their boxing programs when Muhammed Ali came on the scene. Suddenly with a militant black man at the head, boxing was no longer appropriate for the educated white man.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The current best heavyweight boxers are not Americans. Hence the view that heavyweight boxing sucks.

Boxing is on the decline because parents aren't steering their kids towards it.

Colleges gave up their boxing programs when Muhammed Ali came on the scene. Suddenly with a militant black man at the head, boxing was no longer appropriate for the educated white man.

This is very true. I don't necessarily need an American to be the best heavyweight boxer, but I can say that it was an American named Don King who has tainted the sport for me.

And you're correct about how things became different because of Ali. I would have thought that colleges (or at least the students) would have embraced him a bit more based on his views of Vietnam. You know, just like those hippies.

[cougjunkie]

This is not about purses, but it shows PPV buys and how MMA is becoming bigger than boxing

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...3240&zoneid=13

Very interesting article.

[cougjunkie]

Mike you are right on one thing, the purses in boxing are still much higher, however these numbers are not completely accurate as the UFC hands down "private" bonuses and the main event fighters get a percentage of PPV buys

MMA News : UFC Last Updated: Jan 5th, 2007 - 17:22:28
UFC News: Payday - Fighter Salaries Disclosed for UFC 66
By Randy Rowles, MMATorch Contributor
Jan 3, 2007, 04:55

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The UFC Junkie has announced the official purse amounts for UFC 66, courtesy of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, as reported to them by the UFC.
The following salaries do not include any endorsement money individual fighters may have made for this event, nor do they include any additional fighter bonuses which are often handed down by the UFC in private. In addition to their salaries listed here, the main event fighters, Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz, will also get a bonus based on PPV buys.
Winning fighters are in bold, followed by the fighter they defeated.
Chuck Liddell made $250,000 ($250,000 base salary / no win bonus).
Tito Ortiz made $210,000.
Keith Jardine made $14,000 ($7,000 base salary / $7,000 win bonus).
Forrest Griffin made $16,000.
Jason MacDonald made $10,000 ($5,000 / $5,000).
Chris Leben made $7,000.
Andrei Arlovski made $145,000 ($90,000 / $55,000)
Marcio Cruz made $5,000.
Michael Bisping made $24,000 ($12,000 / $12,000).
Eric Schafer made $4,000.
Thiago Alves made $22,000 ($11,000 / $11,000).
Tony DeSouza made $7,000.
Gabriel Gonzaga made $18,000 ($9,000 / $9,000).
Carmelo Marrero made $5,000.
Yushin Okami made $16,000 ($8,000 / $8,000).
Rory Singer made $5,000.
Christian Wellisch made $6,000 ($3,000 / $3,000).
Anthony Perosh made $3,000.
TOTAL OF ALL SALARIES = $767,000

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The current best heavyweight boxers are not Americans. Hence the view that heavyweight boxing sucks.

Boxing is on the decline because parents aren't steering their kids towards it.

Colleges gave up their boxing programs when Muhammed Ali came on the scene. Suddenly with a militant black man at the head, boxing was no longer appropriate for the educated white man.

The best Heavyweights right now are not Americans. The best heavyweights right now are also the saddest collection of heavyweights every in the division.

Boxing is the best division. The heavyweights, is dead.

[Surfah]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Show me a MMA fight in which someone won with kicks. As far as I can tell the ratio of punches to kicks is something like 95:5.

Tyson was never a good boxer. Probably the most overrated boxer of all time. But may have also been the best-managed boxer of all time.

That kickboxer is FOS.

I'm betting that purses in boxing are still much higher than purses in UFC. People in boxing have invested their entire lives in the sport. Since they were kids. Switching to UFC is a big step, sending the message "I have failed in boxing." i.e. Butterbean. A true boxing contender, it seems, would have no incentive to leave boxing. A bad boxer might.

Does anyone have a link to purses in the UFC?

You have never seen Mirko "Crocop" fight in Pride then. He obliterates opponents with kicks. There are several UFC/Pride/MMA fights that have ended with kicks. Here's a "Crocop" highlight reel. He fights later this month in his UFC debut.

[Surfah]

BTW, Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic is the baddest mother on the planet IMO. When he knocked out Wanderlei with a kick he split Silva's head open with a nasty gash.

[MikeWaters]

the kick has a big windup. as a fighter, freaking step in and take him down while he's off balance.