Why are blacks rooting for Bonds?

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm rooting against Bonds because he's the epitome of a jerk.

That said, if he'd just come clean and admit that he has cheated, I believe more people would accept him as the all-time HR leader if he would quit denying it. Also, I don't know how much the steroids actually helped him hit HRs as what they've done is helped him hit the ball 475 ft instead of 400 ft. He still had to put the ball on the bat. And it didn't hurt him one bit that when they built SBC Park, the right field wall isn't as deep as it was at Candlestick.

Bonds is going to break the Aaron's record, but history will look back at the legacy that either player left behind and they'll be remembered as this:

Aaron was a good guy who played hard and hit 755 without steroids.

Bonds was an asshole who hit hit the most home runs, but he used steroids to increase the distance on his hits and also had fences that were closer to home plate.

And I really doubt that there will never be a candy bar made in honor of Barry Bonds.

OK, yes, he is a jerk. But it is hard to not acknowledge his acheivement, which I think you are doing.

My view is that most baseball players are juiced. Baseball has let this go on and he has only played by their rules. Can't penalize him for doing what others did and excelling at his trade.

Look at Clemens. You don't think that guy didn't use something?

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Baseball should be banned. It's not a sport, it's a parlor game. I compare it to bowling and pool. A good game of poker requires more endurance.

I'm not a huge baseball fan, but here's betting that most baseball players could do what you do, but that you couldn't hit a baseball coming in at 95 MPH even if you had suspended animation powers.

[DrumNFeather]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm rooting against Bonds because he's the epitome of a jerk.

That said, if he'd just come clean and admit that he has cheated, I believe more people would accept him as the all-time HR leader if he would quit denying it. Also, I don't know how much the steroids actually helped him hit HRs as what they've done is helped him hit the ball 475 ft instead of 400 ft. He still had to put the ball on the bat. And it didn't hurt him one bit that when they built SBC Park, the right field wall isn't as deep as it was at Candlestick.

Bonds is going to break the Aaron's record, but history will look back at the legacy that either player left behind and they'll be remembered as this:

Aaron was a good guy who played hard and hit 755 without steroids.

Bonds was an asshole who hit hit the most home runs, but he used steroids to increase the distance on his hits and also had fences that were closer to home plate.

And I really doubt that there will never be a candy bar made in honor of Barry Bonds.

Coming clean hasn't done Pete Rose any favors...I know I know, it's different, but not really.

One of the most ridiculous media moments I've seen was when Jason Giambi came out an apologized to the fans for "what he had done." Most reasonable people at that point could read between the lines that he was talking about steroids, but the media kept on and on with this..."we have no idea what he apologized for..." Really Peter Gammons? Really Jason Stark? You know he can't talk about things going on in court (at the time)...does he need to come out and say it? Come on now!

If Bonds "came clean" tomorrow, people would be calling for him to retire short of the record...nobody would embrace him...imo.

I'll be interested to see what happens if Bonds name isn't on the big list that this NY Mets trainer supposedly has.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

OK, yes, he is a jerk. But it is hard to not acknowledge his acheivement, which I think you are doing.

My view is that most baseball players are juiced. Baseball has let this go on and he has only played by their rules. Can't penalize him for doing what others did and excelling at his trade.

Look at Clemens. You don't think that guy didn't use something?

I am acknowledging that Bonds will end his career as home run king. I just want him to admit that he's juiced.

I also believe that there are far more players using steroids than is known, be they pitchers or hitters. Until baseball takes a hard line stance and actually enforces it, it will continue. That is what hurts me as a fan of this sport. Too many cheaters and nothing being done about it.

Of course, it's no surprise that Bonds is a jerk; his dad was a jerk and Barry has been a jerk since high school.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather

Coming clean hasn't done Pete Rose any favors...I know I know, it's different, but not really.

One of the most ridiculous media moments I've seen was when Jason Giambi came out an apologized to the fans for "what he had done." Most reasonable people at that point could read between the lines that he was talking about steroids, but the media kept on and on with this..."we have no idea what he apologized for..." Really Peter Gammons? Really Jason Stark? You know he can't talk about things going on in court (at the time)...does he need to come out and say it? Come on now!

If Bonds "came clean" tomorrow, people would be calling for him to retire short of the record...nobody would embrace him...imo.

I'll be interested to see what happens if Bonds name isn't on the big list that this NY Mets trainer supposedly has.

Agreed about Rose - and FWIW, I support that he was banned - but Rose wasn't coming clean to admit that he was wrong for having bet on baseball - he wants to get into the Hall of Fame. That's his only motivation for coming clean.

Rose will be recognized as a guy who got the most hits, but bet on baseball and should be kept out of the Hall of Fame for doing so. Bonds should be recognized as the Home Run king, but should be kept out of the Hall of Fame for cheating. So should Roger Clemens. Cheating is cheating.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I'm not a huge baseball fan, but here's betting that most baseball players could do what you do, but that you couldn't hit a baseball coming in at 95 MPH even if you had suspended animation powers.

Baseball players are too lazy to do what I do through work.

Hitting a curveball is not the result solely of work, but a kinesthetic ability which I cannot acquire and have no desire to acquire.

I much prefer the hand eye coordination of tennis players or hockey players who incorporate both hand eye coordination and fitness.

I detest the lack of fitness in baseball. Any sport that could have Fernando Valenzuela as a star is no sport.

Sprinters are fun to watch but not much to admire. They don't have to work, as I mostly admire people who must work for what they have, but not those who only rely upon God's gift to them.

Now, Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens have long careers because they work hard. That does not represent the bulk of baseball players.

Just because God gave you unnatural hand-eye coordination, I'm supposed to be impressed.

Look at a tennis player, they have incredible moving hand eye coordination but have to be able to move. Or a hockey player also needs fitness and physical toughness.

Baseball players who employ fitness routines will go further because so many rely simply upon natural abilities and don't have to work hard. So a sport that rewards loafers is not my cup of tea.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Baseball players are too lazy to do what I do through work.

Hitting a curveball is not the result solely of work, but a kinesthetic ability which I cannot acquire and have no desire to acquire.

I much prefer the hand eye coordination of tennis players or hockey players who incorporate both hand eye coordination and fitness.

I detest the lack of fitness in baseball. Any sport that could have Fernando Valenzuela as a star is no sport.

Sprinters are fun to watch but not much to admire. They don't have to work, as I mostly admire people who must work for what they have, but not those who only rely upon God's gift to them.

Now, Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens have long careers because they work hard. That does not represent the bulk of baseball players.

Just because God gave you unnatural hand-eye coordination, I'm supposed to be impressed.

Look at a tennis player, they have incredible moving hand eye coordination but have to be able to move. Or a hockey player also needs fitness and physical toughness.

Baseball players who employ fitness routines will go further because so many rely simply upon natural abilities and don't have to work hard. So a sport that rewards loafers is not my cup of tea.

Archaea, Archaea, Archaea.....

You have no idea how hard baseball players work to get where they are. If they don't spend hours and hours and hours in a batting cage to hit; if they don't spend hours and hours and hours fielding balls; if they don't spend hours and hours and hours in the weight room; (all this is done during the off season) they will not be in the major leagues, because there is someone waiting in the wings to take their place.

As for tennis players and eye-hand coordination, I like to see them swing at the tennis ball with a round bat that has about the same circumference as the baseball, rather than a flat surface that is several times larger than a tennis ball.

Yes, there are a lot of baseball players who look out of shape, but they still do what it takes to get to and remain at the top level.

As for fat guys, using your thoughts, how can anyone possibly respect or admire the fat-asses that play on the offensive line in the NFL? They get rewarded for being lazy as well, don't they?

It's ok to not like baseball, but don't disparage what they do until you try it and do better.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Archaea, Archaea, Archaea.....

You have no idea how hard baseball players work to get where they are. If they don't spend hours and hours and hours in a batting cage to hit; if they don't spend hours and hours and hours fielding balls; if they don't spend hours and hours and hours in the weight room; (all this is done during the off season) they will not be in the major leagues, because there is someone waiting in the wings to take their place.

As for tennis players and eye-hand coordination, I like to see them swing at the tennis ball with a round bat that has about the same circumference as the baseball, rather than a flat surface that is several times larger than a tennis ball.

Yes, there are a lot of baseball players who look out of shape, but they still do what it takes to get to and remain at the top level.

As for fat guys, using your thoughts, how can anyone possibly respect or admire the fat-asses that play on the offensive line in the NFL? They get rewarded for being lazy as well, don't they?

It's ok to not like baseball, but don't disparage what they do until you try it and do better.

Not entirely true. We've had pro baseball players in our area, and I'm very familiar with their efforts, as well as pro golfers, pro football players and pro soccer players. Pro baseball players have it the easiest.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather

Coming clean hasn't done Pete Rose any favors...I know I know, it's different, but not really.

One of the most ridiculous media moments I've seen was when Jason Giambi came out an apologized to the fans for "what he had done." Most reasonable people at that point could read between the lines that he was talking about steroids, but the media kept on and on with this..."we have no idea what he apologized for..." Really Peter Gammons? Really Jason Stark? You know he can't talk about things going on in court (at the time)...does he need to come out and say it? Come on now!

If Bonds "came clean" tomorrow, people would be calling for him to retire short of the record...nobody would embrace him...imo.

I'll be interested to see what happens if Bonds name isn't on the big list that this NY Mets trainer supposedly has.

Could it be in part because Rose "coming clean" has occurred in a 25 part series with each series involving an additional denial of something that he will inevitably admit later on?

[SteelBlue]

I can understand why people don't want to see Bonds pass Aaron. What I can't understand is why Bonds is the only one getting crucified for steroids when I think most of the league was doing them. If we all want to sit back and admire the guy who didn't use and still put up huge numbers, we should all be Ken Griffey Jr. fans.

I think a lot of pitchers were using in the 90's and early 2000's as well. I agree with Noah that Clemens was (recently) using. Look at the change in his physique when he left Boston and started winning Cy Young's again.