Interesting bit on 60 Minutes last night

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Both are equally sinful as it's a plain abuse of the procreative power, with no intent to procreate. It's sole purpose is to tintilate.

So if I hump one whore a week, or ten whores a week, which is less sinful? I don't think it matters.

I don't think a gay limits his sins by screwing only one guy as opposed 100s in a gay bar.

I know this runs contrary to humping one gal in whom you are in love versus a thousand groupies.

From an eternal sense, humping the same sex is NEVER an act of love, just an act of lust.

In hetero sex, when the two separate is not something I'm probably qualified to discuss. It probably turns on when you focus solely upon the other person's needs and wants.

So if I have sex with my wife after having a vasectomy, am I abusing my procreative powers? And what about masturbation? If that's really a sin then heaven is going to be one lonely place.

Sex -- whether hetrosexual, homosexual, or autosexual -- is an act of lust. Sometimes it's an act of lust with someone you're in love with and sometimes it's not. It sounds like you're suggesting that homosexuals are incapable of loving each other. If so, then you couldn't be more wrong.

[creekster]

Not to put too fine a point on this scintillating debate, but what are you all talking about? really, it is not clear. Are we talking the morality of various gender pairs based on Aristotelian ethics, or some other humanist code? If we are tlaking about the LDS code, then it is really rather straightforward: it is sinful becasue the prophet tells us unambiguously that it is. It is against God's will, therefore it is a sin.

Now if you want to talk about other codes of conduct or social policies you might reach a very different answer. So that term needs to be defined before this discussion can make too much sense.

[Archaea]

They are incapable of the love necessary for marriage.

In marital sex up to the Vcut, there is always risk of pregnancy and the willingness to support and to care for offspring. In gay sex, that risk never exists. People mutually support one another while engaging in an act that has long reaching consequences. Once you've borne children, you're entitled to the mutual pleasuring of each other, because you will forever be parents. Marital sex has consequences with blessings. If you use it for its purpose, you also get it for fun.

I submit in marital sex there is a transcendant characteristic of helping another that is impossible in gay sex. Gay sex is about ejaculating.

Married sex is about delaying and helping the gal. It's an act of service. Gay sex is an act of selfishness. They can jack off or cum all they want for all I care, but don't call it love. It has no hallmark of love. It is a useless activity.

Heaven is likely to be a lonely place. If somebody wanted to calculate my odds of making it, it's between zero and null. I hope some of my kids might make it, so I can have a visitor in the more crowded place.

However, there won't be any non-repentant homosexuals, of that you can be certain.