Do you believe being gay is a choice

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Do I put words in your mouth? Do I pretend to convey what you truly mean? It's interesting that instead of engaging my ideas from the get go you attempt to belittle them. Your insecurity is appearant. Step forward and render an opinion.

Oh, the insecurity card; I'm scared. Look at the poll your fellows in the faith participated in. Common sense as well as scientific consensus suggest strongly people don't select sexual preference like they choose to drink a beer. I know I didn't. (I don't think the nature/nurture distinction matters for present purposes.)

I'm happy to live by the evidence, and I will honor Mormonism's opposition to full gay liberties if sexual preference is a choice. But not if it's an immutable characteristic. That's where I draw the line.

But my mind is always open. The reason I have nothing of substance to say to you about this is that you're intellectually dishonest. You don't care what the right answer is from an empirical standpoint. Your starting point is to rationalize the LDS Church's position. You're an apologist.

By the way, I wouldn't really care what the LDS Church did if it weren't for it throwing its weight behind that Constitutional amendment. (I mainly care about the priesthood ban because I lived with it and was harmed by it.)

[malapert]

SU to TooBlue:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The reason I have nothing of substance to say to you about this is that you're intellectually dishonest. You don't care what the right answer is from an empirical standpoint. Your starting point is to rationalize the LDS Church's position. You're an apologist.

You are in over your head Too.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by malapert

SU to TooBlue:


You are in over your head Too.

Okay, make your case that it's a choice. I'm all eyes, and I'll do my best to keep up with your formidable intellect.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Okay, make your case that it's a choice. I'm all eyes, and I'll do my best to keep up with your formidable intellect.

I think he meant Too as in TooBlue.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I think he meant Too as in TooBlue.

Surely he would have put a comma before "Too" if he meant that. Another possiblity is that he was being sarcastic, in which case my challenge stands.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

I don't think there is a genetic cause, but I do think sexuality is mostly beyond one's control. A combination of genetic and early formative experiences (beyond one's control) probably explain most of it. The rest can probably be chalked up to the cognitive reinforcement that comes with the sense of self that is constantly being constructed and reconstructed through behaviors and reasoning.

I do think people's sexuality has a range within which it can shift. Not all homosexuality is the same, and neither is all heterosexuality. Homosexuals are often keenly aware of this fact, heterosexuals are less likely to be so.

Well said -you offer very perceptive observations.

[malapert]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I think he meant Too as in TooBlue.

il Pad is right....I'm referring to "tooblue"

As formidible as tooblue's intellect is....I still think he is in over his head.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by malapert

il Pad is right....I'm referring to "tooblue"

As formidible as tooblue's intellect is....I still think he is in over his head.

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