Excommunication

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I don't believe consensual sex is grounds for getting kicked out of BYU anymore. No one in the athletic program has been kicked out for it in almost ten years.

I hope you are right. My guess is if some high profile player got a girl prenant or if it was alleged in the newspaper he had sex with her, there would be a good chance he would be gone.

I would say BYU does a great job of keeping this stuff quiet, so much so that if anyone asked me if any BYU players had consentual sex outside of the bonds of marriage, I would have to answer, no. At least based on what I have heard in the media.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It was already all over the internet, thanks to the guy that taped his own excommunication.

doing.

A person I am doing business with was the executive secretary to the SP. They were shocked when I exposed the guy's youtube entry.

It was a setup from the beginning by the guy taping the council.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

By the way, I think there's almost never a reason to excommunicate somone. The two exceptions I can think of is: 1) No desire for repentance or change and 2) public profile. I'm even doubtful on 2) as I think there are much worse things that can happen to the church's reputation than someone making a mistake and attempting to correct it.

participated in a stake disciiplinary council. How about child sexual abuse?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by exUte

participated in a stake disciiplinary council. How about child sexual abuse?

I'm ok with ex'ing over child abuse. Just don't hide it from the authorities.

[scottie]

Are there any accounts of Christ excommunicating someone from his church in the NT? (Not trolling, just don't have my scriptures available).

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by scottie

Are there any accounts of Christ excommunicating someone from his church in the NT? (Not trolling, just don't have my scriptures available).

I met a Mennonite proselyter on a trip recently that used 1 Cor 5:13 in his literature to show God's true church should excommunicate obstinate sinners. He said if a Mennonite had a TV and refused to give it up, he would be excommunicated.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_cor/5

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by exUte

participated in a stake disciiplinary council. How about child sexual abuse?

Ah, the child abuse card. Useful in any argument, from excommunication to capital punishment. You can't advocate for anything but public flogging, drawing and quartering, without looking like you're condoning child abuse.

No, I'm not really sure what purpose excommunication does, even in the case of a repentant child abuser. Enlighten me.

For a time, I actually worked with a group of sexual offenders. Guess what? God loves them (but probably not as much as those who "have sat on disciplinary councils"). Some of the most touching testimonies of the Atonement came from that group.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I met a Mennonite proselyter on a trip recently that used 1 Cor 5:13 in his literature to show God's true church should excommunicate obstinate sinners. He said if a Mennonite had a TV and refused to give it up, he would be excommunicated.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_cor/5

Agreed. But I don't see a purpose to excommunicating a repentant sinner.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by BYU71

There was a prominent SP in Salt Lake, part of his prominence was because he was the SP for many of the GA's. One of my friends was in his Stake and he said he was the toughest SP he had ever had when it came to chastity. He constantly harped on it and was very tough on the subject in Temple Recommend interviews.

He had an affair and was allowed to apologize at a Stake Conference. My friend said he felt like he was watching a Jimmy Swaggert rerun. I like it better when these guys repent and go through the process quietly and on their own.

he not only had an affair he solicited a hooker on state street

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

he not only had an affair he solicited a hooker on state street

Reminds me of a friend, who stated, if he's going out, he's going out in style, doing things he wants to do.

He later became a bishop, not a stake president though. Rogue Stake Presidents seem relatively rare given the years of being in the leadership which is required to rise to that level.