Why is this dude making out with his granddaughters?

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Given that I have had to deal with the legal question of imminent danger many, many times in my work, it's no surprise that I am right.

Yeah you've said that before.

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Trust me, I make decisions about imminent danger before a judge a lot more than you. You probably no times, or a few times. Me, hundreds of times.

Additionally I've testified in court as to imminent danger. I have some knowledge about it.

I'm surprised you have brought this up again since it is so obviously not true.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm no lawyer, but I've seen enough tv to know that the issue here is about CPS overstepping it's authority. The FLDS is wrong and immoral to do what they do with child brides, but the Texas CPS should have taken the correct measures to protect the kids. It only has itself to blame.

Perhaps. I think it erred on the side of caution. I think at the end of the day what it did was a good thing.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

Perhaps. I think it erred on the side of caution. I think at the end of the day what it did was a good thing.

almost every attempt to take liberties away is cloaked in the phrase "for the children."

They want it to appear that if you are against their power grab, you are against the children. And only scum would be against the children.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

Perhaps. I think it erred on the side of caution. I think at the end of the day what it did was a good thing.

It may have erred on the side of caution by raiding based on a fraudulent phone call, but I believe it's big mistake was trying to make it one case that included all the kids, rather than individual hearings for each kid. (I believe the law says it's supposed to be done that way, doesn't it?)

While I loathe that part of the FLDS, I believe the decision in the end was the correct one - that the state cannot ignore civil rights.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

almost every attempt to take liberties away is cloaked in the phrase "for the children."

Really? I can't think of any others.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

Really? I can't think of any others.

Liquor stores in an elementary school cafeteria. Strip clubs across the street from a junior high school.

There's two.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

Really? I can't think of any others.

When my wife made me threo away my decaying but still favorite gym shorts she told me it was "for the children."

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by creekster

When my wife made me threo away my decaying but still favorite gym shorts she told me it was "for the children."

One more.

Keep 'em coming, folks.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

It may have erred on the side of caution by raiding based on a fraudulent phone call, but I believe it's big mistake was trying to make it one case that included all the kids, rather than individual hearings for each kid. (I believe the law says it's supposed to be done that way, doesn't it?)

While I loathe that part of the FLDS, I believe the decision in the end was the correct one - that the state cannot ignore civil rights.

I guess where I part company with you IlPad is that I don't see this as analogous to rounding up, for example, every kid in my neighborhood. They have almost nothing in common with each other. I see this more like rounding up the kids in Jonestown before they all drank the Koolaid. If the small insular group is teaching that everyone should drink the suicide Koolaid, what does it matter that only some of the parents have actually offered it to their kids. That is my view of it anyway. I don't think that a small insular group that teaches that child marriages are ordained of God and that forces children to submit to them, even if it is just some of the children, is a place for any child to be.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Liquor stores in an elementary school cafeteria. Strip clubs across the street from a junior high school.

There's two.

Maybe Waters will champion them as well.