07-16-2007, 05:34 AM | #21 |
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"The GOP, for it's part, can do a better job of outreach as well, but I don't consider the NAACP part of that."
"I did say, in case you didn't notice, that the GOP has to do a better job of outreach." Or, you could try graduating to reading whole paragraphs. |
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07-16-2007, 05:52 AM | #23 | |
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Ironically, their intransigence hurts them with Democrats as well, who take their vote for granted. No other demographic ... not religion, race, gender, or age ... approached the monolithic vote of the black "community" in 2000. A party who can so easily depend on such blind loyalty has no reason to seriously court such a constituency. For your benefit, in one sentence: there is a responsibility and obligation each has toward the other, but in this case, the larger burden lies with the black "community." Last edited by Tex; 07-16-2007 at 05:56 AM. |
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07-16-2007, 05:57 AM | #24 |
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Why go to a minorty event? It takes a majority to win an election.
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07-16-2007, 06:06 AM | #25 | |
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Give me a citation. You are making a chicken-egg argument here that is circular. Did 91% of blacks in 2000 vote for Gore because they are ignored by Republicans, or did Republicans ignore them because they knew 91% would vote Democratic? What evidence do you have that it was the former and not the latter? You still haven't bothered to explain how you can, on the one hand, claim that parties only respond to constituencies and not the other way around, while simultaneously arguing that they both respond to each other. |
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Hah. That made me laugh out loud.
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The results I cited come from CNN's exit polling (links below). Interestingly enough Bush's 2000 black vote exactly mirrored Reagan's 1984 black vote.
I think you mean "constituency" although "demographic" is a better word. Mormons were not included as a separate category in the exit poll results. As you can see, until you get to political questions, no demographic is more politically monolithic. The only one that gets close are Jews who voted 80/17 for Gore. Quote:
The GOP will continue to try (and it should) because there are people who care about courting black votes in the party. But until blacks as a "community" decide that not only one party can meet their interests, there is little the GOP can do to change their voting patterns. To bring this discussion back to the original topic, GOP candidates might as well appear at a Democrat fundraiser as speak to the NAACP. When the face of black America is Kweisi Mfume, Julian Bond, Harry Belafonte, and the kingpins of race-baiting politics, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson .... when large percentage of blacks believe that the GOP blew up the levies to kill more black people .... there is nothing to be accomplished by making an appearance in front of a hostile organization. 1984 exit polling 2000 exit polling Last edited by Tex; 07-16-2007 at 03:05 PM. |
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Even as "monolithic" as the LDS voting bloc is, can you imagine a Democratic president refusing to meet with LDS leaders? Clinton met with Hinckley and other members of the First Presidency multiple times, and he came in third in Utah. Dole got 14% of the black vote in 1996, and he was running against "America's First Black President." Bush lost 3% of that vote just 4 years later. Could it be that Republicans are doing more to alienate black voters than you want to admit? If you want things to change, defending your party's actions in avoiding the NAACP is not a good start. |
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You've yet to convince me that the NAACP is not about ideals.
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If Clinton used that meeting as a ploy to get votes (which I doubt), it was a colossal waste of his time. The NAACP is not an organization to be taken seriously if you're really interested in courting the black vote, IMO. |
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