Excommunication: heart or action or both?

[MikeWaters]

A member of my stake presidency said that "we do not excommunicated based on what someone feels in their heart. We excommunicate based on their actions. The Lord will judge the heart."

This is a paraphrase.

What do you guys think? I had always heard that attitude and contriteness played a large role. It seems like this brother is disputing that.

Or maybe I misinterpreted him, and he meant we do not excommunicate based on things we desire, but rather on the things we do. That makes more sense. I'm going with this.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A member of my stake presidency said that "we do not excommunicated based on what someone feels in their heart. We excommunicate based on their actions. The Lord will judge the heart."

This is a paraphrase.

What do you guys think? I had always heard that attitude and contriteness played a large role. It seems like this brother is disputing that.

Or maybe I misinterpreted him, and he meant we do not excommunicate based on things we desire, but rather on the things we do. That makes more sense. I'm going with this.

the 'action', yes.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by exUte

the 'action', yes.

if it is simply the action then there must be clear published guidelines which can be consistently applied.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A member of my stake presidency said that "we do not excommunicated based on what someone feels in their heart. We excommunicate based on their actions. The Lord will judge the heart."

This is a paraphrase.

What do you guys think? I had always heard that attitude and contriteness played a large role. It seems like this brother is disputing that.

Or maybe I misinterpreted him, and he meant we do not excommunicate based on things we desire, but rather on the things we do. That makes more sense. I'm going with this.

A good question, but contrition plays a role, because with no action, there is no reason for a counsel.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

if it is simply the action then there must be clear published guidelines which can be consistently applied.

you looking for hard and fast rules or guidelines?

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

if it is simply the action then there must be clear published guidelines which can be consistently applied.

of many years, NEVER, have their been two identical set of circumstances, degrees of contrition, etc. So how can you apply something consistently when the cases aren't consistent?

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by exUte

of many years, NEVER, have their been two identical set of circumstances, degrees of contrition, etc. So how can you apply something consistently when the cases aren't consistent?

Circumstance and contrition are irrelevant if it is all about the action. You said it, not me.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by exUte

of many years, NEVER, have their been two identical set of circumstances, degrees of contrition, etc. So how can you apply something consistently when the cases aren't consistent?

How many times did you extend a fist with your thumb at 0º and then signal thumbs down?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A member of my stake presidency said that "we do not excommunicated based on what someone feels in their heart. We excommunicate based on their actions. The Lord will judge the heart."

This is a paraphrase.

What do you guys think? I had always heard that attitude and contriteness played a large role. It seems like this brother is disputing that.

Or maybe I misinterpreted him, and he meant we do not excommunicate based on things we desire, but rather on the things we do. That makes more sense. I'm going with this.

One can be a rabid apostate in one's heart, and can easily remain a member in good standing until one opens one's mouth.

One can be a reckless adulterer in one's heart, and can easily remain a member in good standing until one actually commits adultery.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Tex

One can be a rabid apostate in one's heart, and can easily remain a member in good standing until one opens one's mouth.

One can be a reckless adulterer in one's heart, and can easily remain a member in good standing until one actually commits adultery.

Is this a poll? I choose number 1.