DId anyone see this?

[creekster]

http://boulderreport.bicycling.com/2...blog-_-boulder

More negative stuff for us all to think about. SOrry, but I thought it was worth reading.

[SteelBlue]

Wow, I can't believe that didn't get more traction over the past week. I liked this quote:

But to be honest, the quote pissed me off, because it's irresponsible. Dugard claims to love the sport of cycling. But the sport is in the shitter right now precisely because a lot of people who should've known better looked the other way when they should've spoke up - including journalists. Yeah, those who did - like Paul Kimmage, or Christophe Bassons - were routinely shouted down and hounded out of the sport, but that doesn't make it OK to sit by.

FWIW, the confession sounds about right to me. There is one athlete left in the world doing superhuman things that I believe may actually be doing them without the help of modern medicine and that's Michael Phelps. If/when he is busted I will have officially lost all faith in the accomplishments of the modern athlete.

[Coach McGuirk]

I want to believe Lance is clean, while the cynic that has been created in me over the past decade with this shit says he did it. But I agree with the blogger that how the hell does a bombshell like that provoke no follow up questions? I mean that statement in and of itself deserves investigation on the writers part and a separate devoted story, no? Otherwise this is hearsay and poor judgment to use it in a story. I like this comment on the story

Dugard didn't tell other people about the comment at the time, he has nothing to back it up, and SO WHAT IF HE DOES? The faithful won't be convinced (Hi, Tyler), the cynics will see it as merely further proof of guild (Hi, Tyler), and the smart people...will lube chains and go riding, as we always will.

[bluegoose]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

FWIW, the confession sounds about right to me. There is one athlete left in the world doing superhuman things that I believe may actually be doing them without the help of modern medicine and that's Michael Phelps. If/when he is busted I will have officially lost all faith in the accomplishments of the modern athlete.

There is no way that Michael Phelps is clean, imho. If you consider golf in this same category, then I think Tiger Woods is the only person that fits this description.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by bluegoose

There is no way that Michael Phelps is clean, imho. If you consider golf in this same category, then I think Tiger Woods is the only person that fits this description.

I dont know what to think abotu Phelps. Wasn't he implicated in some sort of minor cheating a few years ago? As to Tiger, have you seen how buff he has become? Maybe Creatine?

[bluegoose]

Originally Posted by creekster

I dont know what to think abotu Phelps. Wasn't he implicated in some sort of minor cheating a few years ago? As to Tiger, have you seen how buff he has become? Maybe Creatine?

Could be. The only controversy I remember regarding Phelps was his drunk driving incident a few years ago right after the Olympics. What he has done the past 6 years has been nothing short of remarkable. Just like Lance, I'm sure his physiology and work ethic are unparalleled. But the past few years have trained me to have the default setting of calling someone a cheat anytime they blow the international field apart in endurance-type sports.

Tiger has definitely bulked up the past several years. Is Creatine or any of the other OTC supplements on the banned substance list?

[RC Vikings]

Phelps no - unbelievable talent
Woods no - nobody works harder
Raphael Nadal yes - juiced to the gills
Justine Hinin yes - EPO
Sharapova &
Ivanovic yes - sugar and spice and everything nice

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by creekster

I dont know what to think abotu Phelps. Wasn't he implicated in some sort of minor cheating a few years ago? As to Tiger, have you seen how buff he has become? Maybe Creatine?

No, he got a DUI.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by bluegoose

There is no way that Michael Phelps is clean, imho. If you consider golf in this same category, then I think Tiger Woods is the only person that fits this description.

The sole reason I believe him to be clean is that I get a list of the fastest times in the country twice each year. With those times comes the all time records and it's clear that Phelps has dominated the sport since the age of 14. IOW, he's doing nothing different now than he's done since age 14 and beyond. Is it possible he's cheated since 14? Sure. But I just doubt it. Like I said, I won't be shocked if he ends up having cheated, but I still believe he's one of those athletes a sport sees only once every few generations.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

The sole reason I believe him to be clean is that I get a list of the fastest times in the country twice each year. With those times comes the all time records and it's clear that Phelps has dominated the sport since the age of 14. IOW, he's doing nothing different now than he's done since age 14 and beyond. Is it possible he's cheated since 14? Sure. But I just doubt it. Like I said, I won't be shocked if he ends up having cheated, but I still believe he's one of those athletes a sport sees only once every few generations.

This is also what is so maddening about Armstrong. He was also a once-in-a-generation athlete. He was world champion when he was what, 22 or 23? PLus he was winning tour stages, etc. Without cancer adn the radical re-shaping of his body he would not have been able to dominate the Tour, but he was celarly an exceptional talent and demosntrated it at an early age conitnuing until he retired.

Even aso . . .