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Mormon Red Death · 07-01-2008, 08:05 PM

Gay marriage.

I'm reading some very convincing arguments from the Adam/waters/socalcoug side. What are your arguments?

Is it:

1. Because the prophet has said so? (there is something to be said for us following the direction of the man we say receives revelation from god)

2. Because it destroys the family? if this is true how does gay marriage do this?

Any others that I am missing? This is an honest question.

Venkman · 07-01-2008, 08:13 PM

I'll defer to someone smarter, more eloquent, and more persuasive. Right now, I'm busy, got a tranny to rebuild.

Mormon Red Death · 07-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venkman

I'll defer to someone smarter, more eloquent, and more persuasive. Right now, I'm busy, got a tranny to rebuild.

Someone want to give it a shot? Like I said this is an honest question.

Venkman · 07-01-2008, 08:19 PM

Like I said, I'm not persuasive. But if it's an honest question, I'd google Stanley Kurtz and gay marriage. He's written extensively on the Scandinavian experience with gay marriage on national review.

CardiacCoug · 07-01-2008, 08:20 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...zypwj.asp?pg=1

Here was an attempted counterargument to gay marriage but without any coherent causal link with the breakdown of traditional marriage.

Gay marriage could be blamed for the price of gasoline about as easily as for the problems of straight people to have normal, stable marriages.

MikeWaters · 07-01-2008, 08:22 PM

1. It leads to awkwardness when kids ask "why are those two men married"?
2. It makes you think about the plumbing of gay sex
3. Because it means that liberals win
4. Because we are fixated on a 1950's ideal that actually never existed, and wasn't so ideal
5. Because our fathers told us to never trust faggots
6. Because before you know it we will be dressing in three-piece separates, and guys in plaid shirts and jeans will be mocked
7. just because
8. don't ask why
9. why do you keep asking, are you a fag?
10. leave me alone
11. that's it, I'm getting the shotgun

Did I miss any?

Jim Swarthout · 07-01-2008, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venkman

I'll defer to someone smarter, more eloquent, and more persuasive. Right now, I'm busy, got a tranny to rebuild.

Don't you think it's hypocritical to oppose same sex marriage but also hang out with transvestites?

myboynoah · 07-01-2008, 08:34 PM

First let me get the grease off my hands.

There. I'm a traditionalist on this, so my answers will not satisfy I'm sure. This is good enough reason for me:

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity."

The term "marriage" is an ideal. I think it should be retained for that relationship between a man and a woman. Anything that muddies the water on that chips away at the ideal.

I'm not opposed to legal remedies for gay couples that give them pretty much the same thing that heterosexual married couples have. They have already been granted many of these same rights. I just want to retain the term "marriage" for men and women.

I'm going to go help Venkman with that tranny now. An auto mechanic's work is never done.

RC Vikings · 07-01-2008, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

1. It leads to awkwardness when kids ask "why are those two men married"?
2. It makes you think about the plumbing of gay sex
3. Because it means that liberals win
4. Because we are fixated on a 1950's ideal that actually never existed, and wasn't so ideal
5. Because our fathers told us to never trust faggots
6. Because before you know it we will be dressing in three-piece separates, and guys in plaid shirts and jeans will be mocked
7. just because
8. don't ask why
9. why do you keep asking, are you a fag?
10. leave me alone
11. that's it, I'm getting the shotgun

Did I miss any?

Because it's icky when boy's touch each other.

Sleeping in EQ · 07-01-2008, 08:43 PM

1 Timothy 4 teaches that in addition to demanding the abstinence of food, we should be forbidding marriage.

07-01-2008, 08:05 PM	#1
Mormon Red Death Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton Township, MI Posts: 3,126	Venkman (or anyone else who agree with him) tell me why I should be opposed to Gay marriage. I'm reading some very convincing arguments from the Adam/waters/socalcoug side. What are your arguments? Is it: 1. Because the prophet has said so? (there is something to be said for us following the direction of the man we say receives revelation from god) 2. Because it destroys the family? if this is true how does gay marriage do this? Any others that I am missing? This is an honest question. __________________ Its all about the suit

07-01-2008, 08:13 PM	#2
Venkman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 1,799	I'll defer to someone smarter, more eloquent, and more persuasive. Right now, I'm busy, got a tranny to rebuild. __________________ WWPD?

07-01-2008, 08:19 PM	#4
Venkman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 1,799	Like I said, I'm not persuasive. But if it's an honest question, I'd google Stanley Kurtz and gay marriage. He's written extensively on the Scandinavian experience with gay marriage on national review. __________________ WWPD?

07-01-2008, 08:34 PM	#8
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	First let me get the grease off my hands. There. I'm a traditionalist on this, so my answers will not satisfy I'm sure. This is good enough reason for me: "The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity." The term "marriage" is an ideal. I think it should be retained for that relationship between a man and a woman. Anything that muddies the water on that chips away at the ideal. I'm not opposed to legal remedies for gay couples that give them pretty much the same thing that heterosexual married couples have. They have already been granted many of these same rights. I just want to retain the term "marriage" for men and women. I'm going to go help Venkman with that tranny now. An auto mechanic's work is never done. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

07-01-2008, 08:43 PM	#10
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	1 Timothy 4 teaches that in addition to demanding the abstinence of food, we should be forbidding marriage. __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

07-01-2008, 08:20 PM	#5
CardiacCoug Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 471	http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...zypwj.asp?pg=1 Here was an attempted counterargument to gay marriage but without any coherent causal link with the breakdown of traditional marriage. Gay marriage could be blamed for the price of gasoline about as easily as for the problems of straight people to have normal, stable marriages.

07-01-2008, 08:22 PM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	1. It leads to awkwardness when kids ask "why are those two men married"? 2. It makes you think about the plumbing of gay sex 3. Because it means that liberals win 4. Because we are fixated on a 1950's ideal that actually never existed, and wasn't so ideal 5. Because our fathers told us to never trust faggots 6. Because before you know it we will be dressing in three-piece separates, and guys in plaid shirts and jeans will be mocked 7. just because 8. don't ask why 9. why do you keep asking, are you a fag? 10. leave me alone 11. that's it, I'm getting the shotgun Did I miss any?