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But I also think that their intervention was wrong. And they were keenly aware of the outcome determinative nature of what they were doing. And that outcome was the end of recounts and the end of Gore's challenges. That decision had the effect of crowning Dubya as victor. The election factored in certainly, but that decision was what put him in the White House. I don't really see this as other than factual, apart from my editorial comment about the inappropriateness of their intervention. |
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This "every vote needs to be recounted" argument is specious. First, every vote WAS recounted, more than once, if memory serves. You are talking about a specific type of statewide recount with parameters that exceed any that anyone was reasonably talking about using. Second, such a statewide recount is not mandated (nor allowed, I believe) by Florida election law, which played into the SCOTUS decision. This is far from the "truest" reflection of voter intent. The Gore approach, and yours apparently, is to count as many times and in as many different ways as you can, with the hope that SOMEWHERE along the way enough votes get picked up. "Didn't get enough? Well count them again!" Frequently lost in this discussion is the fact that there were actually two rulings that came out of the Court: one 7-2, and one 5-4. It was the 7-2 ruling that actually found the recount procedure to be unconstitutional--certainly within the Court's jurisdiction to decide. The second (and more controversial) decision, was to end ALL recounts, present and future. Quote:
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The most correct way to say it is, "The Supreme Court accelerated Bush's assumption of the presidency after it was determined he won the election."
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Bottom line is that the Supreme Court would never have been a part of the mess if Gore had just taken his loss like a man.
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Nobody knows for sure who won. It was amazingly close there by any stretch, and our anachronistic system failed dramatically to deliver a clear cut winner. The fact that there were 7 different styles of recounts proves illustrates the problem.
I think we can all agree that we got a very disappointing president out of it (some would say shitty). People feel bitter when there is no clear way to determine whether they go hosed. Maybe they did or maybe they did not but it is a legitimate question. |
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There was absolutely no clear way to say that Gore lost prior to the Supreme Court's involvement. I could just as easily say that the Supreme Court involvement was because Bush wouldn't take his loss like a man. Of course, neither my statement nor yours would be true. |
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