The Spirit or Instinct?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

That makes sense. Thanks DDD.

Out of curiosity, what goes through your mind as you sit with these women?

Is it rage? pity? awkward tension?

What do you talk about?

that is a horrible experience for these women, so i am sure the emotions must be all over the map for them.

[creekster]

ANyone can feel the spirit IMO, and Triplet makes a nice explanation of why this si true. However, I think it lkeaves BDB's quesiton unanswered. Is the sort of subconscious awareness of dnager, or an urge to flee, spiritual or instinctual? Are we saying that ALL people feel the spirit at those moments ALL the time?

Some may be the spirt, some may be insticnt. It hink we are hard wired to perceive certain sensory input as indicative of elevated risk. One might suppose God created us this way (as I do) but leaving faith out of it, I thihnk this sort of sense of danger is somethign that we come equipped with whether or nto we are seeking the spriit, whether or not we are feeling like we need the spirit and whether or not we are living the gospel.

That being said, I also believe that some persons in some circumstances recieve more specific urges and psiritual promptings that tranascend our normal reactions, but that could only be decided subjectively on a case by case basis.

[Black Diamond Bay]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Out of curiosity, what goes through your mind as you sit with these women?

Is it rage? pity? awkward tension?

What do you talk about?

that is a horrible experience for these women, so i am sure the emotions must be all over the map for them.

I don't know quite how to explain it, but I don't feel pity for the woman, I usually feel love for them. I think that sounds weird, but it's true. I can't ever remember having felt any anger, but I understand why that seems like a logical response. In fact, before they start the exam the forensic nurse interviews the victim about what happened, and one of the nurses inparticular gets pretty worked up during the interviews.

As far as what we talk about, I have to really play it by ear. Some of the women really want to talk about what happened. For others they're really numb, and they don't want to talk much at all, but they're generally pretty inclined to sit there and listen to me ramble on about anything and everything that comes to mind. Some women just want to be distracted, and they're really eager to chit-chat about their family, their job, music, tv, etc. I've heard that occasionally you'll get one that is cracking jokes, or one that is really enraged, but I haven't encountered either of those responses thus far.

[Sleeping in EQ]

An interesting issue, BDB. I would want the notion of "instinct" refined a bit. If it accounts for the subtle, often semi-conscious awareness of non-verbal communication, than I think instinct plays a role. I find people are often describing subtle non-verbal communication when they use the spiritual language of "countenance."

In that sense, trust your instincts.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

I don't know quite how to explain it, but I don't feel pity for the woman, I usually feel love for them. I think that sounds weird, but it's true. I can't ever remember having felt any anger, but I understand why that seems like a logical response. In fact, before they start the exam the forensic nurse interviews the victim about what happened, and one of the nurses inparticular gets pretty worked up during the interviews.

As far as what we talk about, I have to really play it by ear. Some of the women really want to talk about what happened. For others they're really numb, and they don't want to talk much at all, but they're generally pretty inclined to sit there and listen to me ramble on about anything and everything that comes to mind. Some women just want to be distracted, and they're really eager to chit-chat about their family, their job, music, tv, etc. I've heard that occasionally you'll get one that is cracking jokes, or one that is really enraged, but I haven't encountered either of those responses thus far.

I had a student who was sexually assaulted two years ago. She missed a good chunk of class while she was dealing with medical and law enforcement personnel. One thing she told me was that the woman who sat with her while she was at the clinic was a huge help to her and really kept her from just losing it altogether. Again, my hat's off to you for doing this job.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Brian

But when he comes again, he'll be wearing red.
So, if he goes to the game, at least he'll be cheering for the right team.

Most BYU fans don't know what color to wear, why would Jesus be any different?

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by creekster

ANyone can feel the spirit IMO, and Triplet makes a nice explanation of why this si true. However, I think it lkeaves BDB's quesiton unanswered. Is the sort of subconscious awareness of dnager, or an urge to flee, spiritual or instinctual? Are we saying that ALL people feel the spirit at those moments ALL the time?

Some may be the spirt, some may be insticnt. It hink we are hard wired to perceive certain sensory input as indicative of elevated risk. One might suppose God created us this way (as I do) but leaving faith out of it, I thihnk this sort of sense of danger is somethign that we come equipped with whether or nto we are seeking the spriit, whether or not we are feeling like we need the spirit and whether or not we are living the gospel.

That being said, I also believe that some persons in some circumstances recieve more specific urges and psiritual promptings that tranascend our normal reactions, but that could only be decided subjectively on a case by case basis.

Most of your posts confirm to me that drunk people can feel the spirit.