Prop. 8 armageddon?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I have found in my short life that some people claim to be pursuing a very interesting path of truth, but it doesn't sound convincing nor look very rewarding to me.

This is incoherent. Are you drunk?

[RC Vikings]

on this Prop 8 deal. Most of the people I've talked to feel the church has gotten too involved in this. They passed around a sign up sheet in EQ to call the heathens in Cali and only three out of the twenty in there signed up. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This is incoherent. Are you drunk?

I'm going to type this as a response to your novel.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm going to type this as a response to your novel.

I generally don't mix drink and work. But some of the greatest literary achievements have occurred when the author was shitfaced. So this is a backhanded compliment of sorts.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Levin

Don't dismiss SU . . . I think he's uncovering the reason the leaders of the Church most fear gay marriage: it will make the Church a pariah in the centuries to come, reversing the hard fought gains in social acceptance.

In the centuries to come? I got news for you...Christ will be ruling the earth in the centuries to come. I don't think the Church needs to worry about being a pariah during the Millennium.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If the church became largely about fighting gay marriage and gay rights, I'm not sure I could stomach it.

What gay rights has the church fought?

[Levin]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

In the centuries to come? I got news for you...Christ will be ruling the earth in the centuries to come. I don't think the Church needs to worry about being a pariah during the Millennium.

Okay, maybe it won't take centuries; only decades. In thirty or forty years, the Church will be in the extreme minority, the Nation will have adopted gay marriage, and many of the churches will continue to drift on this issue. We'll be a pariah; tax exempt status; social acceptance; convert baptism rates; political persecution . . . etc. All these will be threatened.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Levin

Okay, maybe it won't take centuries; only decades. In thirty or forty years, the Church will be in the extreme minority, the Nation will have adopted gay marriage, and many of the churches will continue to drift on this issue. We'll be a pariah; tax exempt status; social acceptance; convert baptism rates; political persecution . . . etc. All these will be threatened.

So what's your point? Sounds like things will be as one would expect immediately prior to the Second Coming.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

So what's your point? Sounds like things will be as one would expect immediately prior to the Second Coming.

My point is that this is why SU is correct: in many ways, Prop. 8 is indeed the Church's Gettysburg.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Levin

Okay, maybe it won't take centuries; only decades. In thirty or forty years, the Church will be in the extreme minority, the Nation will have adopted gay marriage, and many of the churches will continue to drift on this issue. We'll be a pariah; tax exempt status; social acceptance; convert baptism rates; political persecution . . . etc. All these will be threatened.

Riots in the streets, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.