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SoCalCoug · 10-23-2008, 05:33 AM

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Unfortunately, with my posting privileges on CB having been wrested from me for a season, I couldn't participate in this thread.

But some of the opinions expressed by some of the CB faithful in this thread truly scare me. In the sense that I'm worried that some of these people may hold significant church leadership callings, or may teach our children, or may have children of their own who they may raise to think like them.

For a church that places such importance on Truth, some of its members seem to have such loathing for truths and facts.

Maybe there really is some brainwashing going on within the church.

Jeff Lebowski · 10-23-2008, 01:48 PM

Indeed. It's unbelievable.

Tex · 10-23-2008, 02:15 PM

I love the token "prophets are wrong, see: blacks and the priesthood" line. Nice one, mpfunk.

Do you folks ever come up with new material?

jay santos · 10-23-2008, 02:19 PM

The more I look at the church now vs the church back in the day, it becomes clear that orthodoxy and blind obedience were not necessarily considered virtues back then where now they are clear measures of faithfulness. I'd like to hear more from SIEQ on this.

SoCalCoug · 10-23-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

I love the token "prophets are wrong, see: blacks and the priesthood" line. Nice one, mpfunk.

Do you folks ever come up with new material?

Why do you even respond to my thread when you obviously think I have nothing significant to say?

Feel free to ignore this, Tex. Go back to your little world where all I do is take potshots.

BlueHair · 10-23-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

The more I look at the church now vs the church back in the day, it becomes clear that orthodoxy and blind obedience were not necessarily considered virtues back then where now they are clear measures of faithfulness. I'd like to hear more from SIEQ on this.

It seems that obedience to God has somehow morphed into obedience to leaders. Outside of Tex, are there really that many people that literally believe when you disobey a leader, you are disobeying God?

Tex · 10-23-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueHair

It seems that obedience to God has somehow morphed into obedience to leaders. Outside of Tex, are there really that many people that literally believe when you disobey a leader, you are disobeying God?

Most folks still have D&C 1 in their scriptures. Did you tear yours out?

exUte · 10-23-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueHair

It seems that obedience to God has somehow morphed into obedience to leaders. Outside of Tex, are there really that many people that literally believe when you disobey a leader, you are disobeying God?

the prophet, you are walking on dangerous ground. Unless of course you don't believe the prophet is truly a prophet. What do you think?

BlueHair · 10-23-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Most folks still have D&C 1 in their scriptures. Did you tear yours out?

Man has proven untrustworthy. If you want to rely on someone else to do your thinking, it is your prerogative. There is nothing in D & C 1 that requires us to obey leaders or think that leaders are equivalent to God.

jay santos · 10-23-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by exUte

the prophet, you are walking on dangerous ground. Unless of course you don't believe the prophet is truly a prophet. What do you think?

This is an example of what I'm talking about.

http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org...y/chapter9.htm

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Let me illustrate, again using musty documents, why historians are inclined to be skeptical of concepts of human infallibility. At the October 1843 conference in Nauvoo, Joseph Smith proposed to drop Sidney Rigdon as his counselor, but the conference refused. The vote was on a motion to sustain Rigdon. It was made by William Marks, whom we can dismiss because he later went wrong, but it was seconded by Hyrum Smith, Joseph's other counselor (HC 6:47-49). Which of the prophet-brothers was inspired?

10-23-2008, 05:33 AM	#1
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	This thread truly frightens me http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4154833 Unfortunately, with my posting privileges on CB having been wrested from me for a season, I couldn't participate in this thread. But some of the opinions expressed by some of the CB faithful in this thread truly scare me. In the sense that I'm worried that some of these people may hold significant church leadership callings, or may teach our children, or may have children of their own who they may raise to think like them. For a church that places such importance on Truth, some of its members seem to have such loathing for truths and facts. Maybe there really is some brainwashing going on within the church. __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

10-23-2008, 01:48 PM	#2
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Indeed. It's unbelievable. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

10-23-2008, 02:15 PM	#3
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	I love the token "prophets are wrong, see: blacks and the priesthood" line. Nice one, mpfunk. Do you folks ever come up with new material? __________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

10-23-2008, 02:19 PM	#4
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	The more I look at the church now vs the church back in the day, it becomes clear that orthodoxy and blind obedience were not necessarily considered virtues back then where now they are clear measures of faithfulness. I'd like to hear more from SIEQ on this.