11th hour Bush pardons

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I agree that waterboarding was torture, and Bush apparently stopped it after knowledge of it became widespread. If you wish to empower the rest of the world by further disclosures go right on ahead.

So you vote in favor of continued castigations for the duration of the Obama presidency so that the tabloids and shows can have their vetting? Noted.

Are there other ways to prevent the recurrence other than expensive show trials and public vengeance?

Was Nuremberg an expensive show trial and public vengeance?

The President works for US. Not himself. He is accountable to us and the Constitution. And to the degree he willfully avoids accountability and ignores the Constitution he must be investigated.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Was Nuremberg an expensive show trial and public vengeance?

The President works for US. Not himself. He is accountable to us and the Constitution. And to the degree he willfully avoids accountability and ignores the Constitution he must be investigated.

He is one man, and he has no more power.

It is simply a vengeful act, which I note you are in favor of bloodsport. Duly noted.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Was Nuremberg an expensive show trial and public vengeance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

He is one man, and he has no more power.

It is simply a vengeful act, which I note you are in favor of bloodsport. Duly noted.

I said before, if you paid attention, which you did not, that it could be modeled after South Africa's experience.

You tell the truth, you receive no punishment.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I said before, if you paid attention, which you did not, that it could be modeled after South Africa's experience.

You tell the truth, you receive no punishment.

I see little value in it, but my opinion does not matter. Politics, unlike some aspects of business or academia, never knows when to stop beating a deat horse. Why stop beating a winning argument I like to say.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I see little value in it, but my opinion does not matter. Politics, unlike some aspects of business or academia, never knows when to stop beating a deat horse. Why stop beating a winning argument I like to say.

well, because, there are millions of people like Tex who would like to continue to see America as a place that tortures, imprisons its citizens without hearing or access, etc.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Tex

Perhaps. Depends on what exactly he (hypothetically) would do. When it comes to war powers I support a strong executive, be it Clinton, Bush, or Obama.

The irony is that you don't, yet you want the Supreme Court to take a historically unprecedented and constitutionally unsupported step in restricting a president's power ... all because the thought of him using it in some way pisses you off.

What the hell is a "strong" president in war time or any other time? I want my president to follow the Constitution. We can argue about whether he is or not.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

well, because, there are millions of people like Tex who would like to continue to see America as a place that tortures, imprisons its citizens without hearing or access, etc.

Millions? I thought Tex was one of a kind. Please in the future, put a caveat of potential horror content in your posts.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Millions? I thought Tex was one of a kind. Please in the future, put a caveat of potential horror content in your posts.

Would you classify 40% of Americans as "millions"? I would.

40% of Americans here in this poll in 2007 believed the USA should use waterboarding.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Would you classify 40% of Americans as "millions"? I would.

40% of Americans here in this poll in 2007 believed the USA should use waterboarding.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html

So forty percent is less than a majority, looks like they're outvoted.