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JohnnyLingo · 04-12-2008, 07:58 PM

Will Sloan ever win COY? Somehow I doubt it. He doesn't win it when the Jazz win 60+ games. He doesn't win it when he makes the playoffs after Karl and John are both gone. He won't win it this year.

It's a regular-season award, so even if the Jazz win the NBA Championship before he retires, it won't make a difference.

TripletDaddy · 04-12-2008, 10:12 PM

Phil Jackson has only won it once, yet has coached 9 championship teams. The year the Lakers repeated, going 15-1 in the post-season and earning the best post-season record since the 15 game format, they faced Larry Brown's 76ers and beat them 4-1 in the Finals. Larry Brown won COY.

Pat Riley won it 3 times....one each with the Lakers, Knicks, and Heat. When he won with the Lakers, he won it in 1990....a year in which the Lakers did NOT win the title. He won it with the Heat in the late 90s, not when he won the title. He won it with the Knicks the year the Knicks lost to the Rockets.

This award, like most of the other voting awards, makes little sense. Sloan has as good a chance as anyone. In fact, winning a title almost hurts your chances.

JohnnyLingo · 04-12-2008, 11:14 PM

I think part of the problem is that it's so hard to determine how many wins good coaching is good for. Is Doc Rivers a good coach? Last year I'd have said no, but this year the Celtics have 63 wins and lead the league in defense.

Does that mean Rivers is a great coach, or could anyone sit on the bench and watch Garnett, Allen, and Pierce dominate in the East?

Same problem with Jackson. He won with Jordan, and then again with a dominant Kobe-Shaq combo. How much of the Chicago and L.A. titles were him? There's enough disagreement on how to measure this that in the end, there's no rhyme or reason to who gets the award.

TheSizzle36 · 04-14-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

I think part of the problem is that it's so hard to determine how many wins good coaching is good for. Is Doc Rivers a good coach? Last year I'd have said no, but this year the Celtics have 63 wins and lead the league in defense.

A huge reason, IMO, for the Celtics turnaround on the defensive end (besides adding KG) is because of Tom Thibodeau as an assistant coach. He worked with Jeff Van Gundy for around 20 years and is regarded as one of the leagues best defensive coaches. His name is thrown around now as one of the top candidates for a head coaching job this off-season. I wouldn't be surprised if he lands a job.

As far as Sloan is concerned, he didn't win it the year after Stockton and Malone, and he really deserved it that year. The team was supposed to be the worst team in NBA history and he won around 50% of the games with Carlos Arroyo and Keith McCleod as PGs, and Matt Harpring missed half of the season with the first of his many knee surgeries. If he didn't win it that year, he'll never win it. And that year he got jobbed.

il Padrino Ute · 04-14-2008, 01:50 AM

The only folks that care if Sloan wins the COY would be fans. I doubt Sloan even cares about it. He's all about the team.

That said, it would be nice to see him get it, but I don't think he will. No worries though, as I'm guessing his 1000+ career wins will get him into the Hall of Fame.

TripletDaddy · 04-14-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

The only folks that care if Sloan wins the COY would be fans. I doubt Sloan even cares about it. He's all about the team.

That said, it would be nice to see him get it, but I don't think he will. No worries though, as I'm guessing his 1000+ career wins will get him into the Hall of Fame.

I agree. Who cares? It is a pretty stupid award that is basically meaningless, except for maybe salary negotiations or contract extensions. Do they even publicly present to the Coach? I don't recall seeing a COY ceremony.

Jerry Sloan is a first ballot lock for the HOF. There isn't even an issue there. To clarify, HOF as a coach, NOT as a player.

il Padrino Ute · 04-14-2008, 02:12 AM

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I agree. Who cares? It is a pretty stupid award that is basically meaningless, except for maybe salary negotiations or contract extensions. Do they even publicly present to the Coach? I don't recall seeing a COY ceremony.

Jerry Sloan is a first ballot lock for the HOF. There isn't even an issue there. To clarify, HOF as a coach, NOT as a player.

I agree that he'll be there as a coach, not a player. The fact that he was the first Chicago Bull to have his jersey retired is a good enough reward for his playing career.

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04-12-2008, 07:58 PM	#1
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Will Sloan ever win the COY Award? Will Sloan ever win COY? Somehow I doubt it. He doesn't win it when the Jazz win 60+ games. He doesn't win it when he makes the playoffs after Karl and John are both gone. He won't win it this year. It's a regular-season award, so even if the Jazz win the NBA Championship before he retires, it won't make a difference.

04-12-2008, 10:12 PM	#2
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	Phil Jackson has only won it once, yet has coached 9 championship teams. The year the Lakers repeated, going 15-1 in the post-season and earning the best post-season record since the 15 game format, they faced Larry Brown's 76ers and beat them 4-1 in the Finals. Larry Brown won COY. Pat Riley won it 3 times....one each with the Lakers, Knicks, and Heat. When he won with the Lakers, he won it in 1990....a year in which the Lakers did NOT win the title. He won it with the Heat in the late 90s, not when he won the title. He won it with the Knicks the year the Knicks lost to the Rockets. This award, like most of the other voting awards, makes little sense. Sloan has as good a chance as anyone. In fact, winning a title almost hurts your chances. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

04-14-2008, 01:50 AM	#5
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	The only folks that care if Sloan wins the COY would be fans. I doubt Sloan even cares about it. He's all about the team. That said, it would be nice to see him get it, but I don't think he will. No worries though, as I'm guessing his 1000+ career wins will get him into the Hall of Fame. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

04-12-2008, 11:14 PM	#3
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	I think part of the problem is that it's so hard to determine how many wins good coaching is good for. Is Doc Rivers a good coach? Last year I'd have said no, but this year the Celtics have 63 wins and lead the league in defense. Does that mean Rivers is a great coach, or could anyone sit on the bench and watch Garnett, Allen, and Pierce dominate in the East? Same problem with Jackson. He won with Jordan, and then again with a dominant Kobe-Shaq combo. How much of the Chicago and L.A. titles were him? There's enough disagreement on how to measure this that in the end, there's no rhyme or reason to who gets the award.