Economic liberals state your case for Obama:

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I have no windmills, just pragmatic hopes of retiring some day. And then it's off to Monaco, Italy or Hong Kong, with a stop in Tahiti during wintertime, provided I can use the internet to watch the Cougs.

No grand visions here, just selfish concerns for me and my family. We've asked for nothing, received nothing and want to be burdened by nobody. Most people really want that, but they are not frank enough to admit it.

In that case, luck be to you and your kin.

BTW, Italy's taxes are insane. Hong Kong is almost the opposite, with a flat tax for personal income and quite a business friendly environment Monaco is a well-know tax shelter haven, so maybe you will bump into VV while you are there.

Wonder how the tax landscape in China and HK will evolve as Shanghai gets more and more Westernized. WFOEs are the lifeblood of a lot of our lage domestic clients with Asian ops.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

In that case, luck be to you and your kin.

BTW, Italy's taxes are insane. Hong Kong is almost the opposite, with a flat tax for personal income and quite a business friendly environment Monaco is a well-know tax shelter haven, so maybe you will bump into VV while you are there.

Wonder how the tax landscape in China and HK will evolve as Shanghai gets more and more Westernized. WFOEs are the lifeblood of a lot of our lage domestic clients with Asian ops.

Well Hong Kong is fine but Shenzhen is dynamite as well. Hainan has some great opportunities and other special economic zones are worth investigating.

I didn't say I wished to own anything in Italy. No income would ever touch Italy, I may be daft but not that daft.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You seem unable to envision that someone who is young and inexperienced can do a good job. Obama doesnt have to know everything. He just has to be smart enough to realize that he doesnt. The appropriate Cabinet and advisors will follow....the same for Mitt and anyone else who gets elected.

One of my concerns with Barack Obama is that he seems to relish his own popularity, deeming himself an agent of change while using religious terms to describe himself. What happens when one of his smart advisors makes an unpopular, yet necessary, recommendation? I wonder how open he would be when the change he's seeking will abandon a segment of his base. He'll have to have spine to deal with being hated by his own.

He seems to be a leader who thrives on emotion over logic. Isn't emotion his whole appeal? He inspires his followers to unity. He makes us believe that change is going to come. Yet the President will never be a uniter if he wants to be effective. He has to hurt feelings, step on toes, cut budgets, cut programs, fire people, offend constituencies, and a number of other unpleasant tasks. I just don't see Oprah's guy being right for that job.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by YOhio

One of my concerns with Barack Obama is that he seems to relish his own popularity, deeming himself an agent of change while using religious terms to describe himself. What happens when one of his smart advisors makes an unpopular, yet necessary, recommendation? I wonder how open he would be when the change he's seeking will abandon a segment of his base. He'll have to have spine to deal with being hated by his own.

He seems to be a leader who thrives on emotion over logic. Isn't emotion his whole appeal? He inspires his followers to unity. He makes us believe that change is going to come. Yet the President will never be a uniter if he wants to be effective. He has to hurt feelings, step on toes, cut budgets, cut programs, fire people, offend constituencies, and a number of other unpleasant tasks. I just don't see Oprah's guy being right for that job.

I agree with you. As i said, I am not 100% sold on Obama. My final vote will be cast once the RNC and DNC winners can start outlining more practical solutions to specific issues. I agree that Obama cannot run an entire campaign on rainbow fumes.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

One of my concerns with Barack Obama is that he seems to relish his own popularity, deeming himself an agent of change while using religious terms to describe himself. What happens when one of his smart advisors makes an unpopular, yet necessary, recommendation? I wonder how open he would be when the change he's seeking will abandon a segment of his base. He'll have to have spine to deal with being hated by his own.

He seems to be a leader who thrives on emotion over logic. Isn't emotion his whole appeal? He inspires his followers to unity. He makes us believe that change is going to come. Yet the President will never be a uniter if he wants to be effective. He has to hurt feelings, step on toes, cut budgets, cut programs, fire people, offend constituencies, and a number of other unpleasant tasks. I just don't see Oprah's guy being right for that job.

I couldn't disagree more. I find his reasoning to be quite logical and deliberate.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I couldn't disagree more. I find his reasoning to be quite logical and deliberate.

Y hit it on the head.

Obama is the Democratic revivalist a la Yuckabee. That's why he appeals to the Oprah crowd, the Phil Donohue crowd.

You masturbate the emotions, whip them into a frenzy and nobody knows or cares what he talked about because it felt like a great rush of cum.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Y hit it on the head.

Obama is the Democratic revivalist a la Yuckabee. That's why he appeals to the Oprah crowd, the Phil Donohue crowd.

You masturbate the emotions, whip them into a frenzy and nobody knows or cares what he talked about because it felt like a great rush of cum.

Wow- that was disgusting. You do realize that a person can be passionate, great at motivating, and logical all at the same time?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Wow- that was disgusting. You do realize that a person can be passionate, great at motivating, and logical all at the same time?

No I don't believe that. And that's the impact these revivalists have upon me. I'm basically sick to my stomach, so I'm glad I could oblige.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Y hit it on the head.

Obama is the Democratic revivalist a la Yuckabee. That's why he appeals to the Oprah crowd, the Phil Donohue crowd.

That Obama has the Oprah endorsement, and relishes in it, is reason enough to be afraid, very afraid.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

That Obama has the Oprah endorsement, and relishes in it, is reason enough to be afraid, very afraid.

It means he can be popular without having a brain. I'm not accusing him of being brainless I imagine he's a very cunning, power-hungry manipulator, who's studied communications in order to hone the revivalist, emotionally masturbating style. He's running on pure emotion and hoping nobody actually analyzes what he's saying. If one reads it, one goes "huh", he can't mean that.

He reminds me of a speech coach, who could sound like a preacher, merely reciting the alphabet. You'd swear he was giving a Sunday sermon. That's Obama for me, somebody who's content is mere puffery but whose style appeals to the masses who are asses. I despise it whenever a politician is currying to my baser instincts and engaging in mob manipulation.