A new arms race?

[il Padrino Ute]

Should Putin be considered a threat? Or is this just a guy who is less relevant than he thinks he should be and is trying to get noticed?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

Personally, I think we ought to keep an eye on him for now, but not worry too much about it until there is a real threat.

I'm curious if he feels that the West doesn't see him as relevant on the world stage as he thinks he is, so he's just trying to get some time in the news.

I'll admit that I'm more on the ignorant side when it comes to Putin. Does anyone with a bit more knowledge about the guy have any thoughts to share?

[Frank Ryan]

Putin seems to want an East/West divide for Russia and the former Soviet Republics. Like Venezuala, the amount of oil and gas Russia controls makes the situation there all the more relevant

[MikeWaters]

Putin is a good guy. I know this because Bush felt the Holy Spirit when he looked into his eyes.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Putin is a good guy. I know this because Bush felt the Holy Spirit when he looked into his eyes.

LOL!

[Frank Ryan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Putin is a good guy. I know this because Bush felt the Holy Spirit when he looked into his eyes.

or something like that. i forgot about that. he sounded like a gypsie soothsayer.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Should Putin be considered a threat? Or is this just a guy who is less relevant than he thinks he should be and is trying to get noticed?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

Personally, I think we ought to keep an eye on him for now, but not worry too much about it until there is a real threat.

I'm curious if he feels that the West doesn't see him as relevant on the world stage as he thinks he is, so he's just trying to get some time in the news.

I'll admit that I'm more on the ignorant side when it comes to Putin. Does anyone with a bit more knowledge about the guy have any thoughts to share?

Why missile defense systems in E. Europe if the E. Europeans don't even want it?

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by BlueK

Why missile defense systems in E. Europe if the E. Europeans don't even want it?

Excellent question. If they don't feel it's needed, then I say don't do it.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Should Putin be considered a threat? Or is this just a guy who is less relevant than he thinks he should be and is trying to get noticed?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

Personally, I think we ought to keep an eye on him for now, but not worry too much about it until there is a real threat.

I'm curious if he feels that the West doesn't see him as relevant on the world stage as he thinks he is, so he's just trying to get some time in the news.

I'll admit that I'm more on the ignorant side when it comes to Putin. Does anyone with a bit more knowledge about the guy have any thoughts to share?

I have two thoughts on Putin. The first is that this is almost 100% posturing. Where as we actually have the ability to do the things we talk about, he can do little more than posture. Russia has not cured the problems that made them a third world economy when the were the USSR.

Second, however, is that Putin is an old KGB guy and so my guess is that he clings to delusions of old Soviet granduer. This might make him a little dangerous. Recall that before the Soviet Union fell that no one really saw that coming. Yes everyone understood that it was collapsing in on itself and that it was impoverished, but much of the prevailing wisdom was that this would cause it to act more and more desperate and more like a cornered animal. Had the leader at the time been someone other than Gorbachev, things might have unfolded much differently.

Putin is a thug and he is going to beat his chest, but I ultimately see Russia not very threatening. Militant Islam and communist China and much bigger issues in the world. Chinese power is on the rise and they must be contended with, Islam is taking Europe over by attrition. I'm not worried much about Putin. In the end, what is he REALLY going to do. Nuke Europe or the US?

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I have two thoughts on Putin. The first is that this is almost 100% posturing. Where as we actually have the ability to do the things we talk about, he can do little more than posture. Russia has not cured the problems that made them a third world economy when the were the USSR.

Second, however, is that Putin is an old KGB guy and so my guess is that he clings to delusions of old Soviet granduer. This might make him a little dangerous. Recall that before the Soviet Union fell that no one really saw that coming. Yes everyone understood that it was collapsing in on itself and that it was impoverished, but much of the prevailing wisdom was that this would cause it to act more and more desperate and more like a cornered animal. Had the leader at the time been someone other than Gorbachev, things might have unfolded much differently.

Putin is a thug and he is going to beat his chest, but I ultimately see Russia not very threatening. Militant Islam and communist China and much bigger issues in the world. Chinese power is on the rise and they must be contended with, Islam is taking Europe over by attrition. I'm not worried much about Putin. In the end, what is he REALLY going to do. Nuke Europe or the US?

All true about Putin's posturing. But there is something else about this that is a little disconcerting for me. Naturally Iran and others pose a threat and I'm not discounting that. However, Europe should defend themselves and they don't really want this either. Why continue to pay for their defense? The other thing is that Bush probably wants this in place now so that we can more conveniently go to war with Iran and stage air strikes from E. Europe with that defense system already in place. For the neocons I guess this isn't a problem as they seem to want to expand the Iraq war and maybe even go after N. Korea.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BlueK

Why missile defense systems in E. Europe if the E. Europeans don't even want it?

I agree with this. If they don't want the help defending them, let's not do it.

I was just more curious what others' thoughts were, because, as I mentioned, I'm not up to speed on Putin and what kind of a guy he is.