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Archaea · 10-21-2009, 07:54 PM

I can make arguments about who will win. And although I would not be surprised for either team to win, BYU's troubles with SDSU concern me. TCU is lightyears better than SDSU and can do everything which SDSU could.

Kerley could torch us, Dalton concerns me and Hughes could be a nightmare.

TCU has defeated BYU in Provo.

If BYU shows some tenacity, makes some stops, does not fall behind quickly, then BYU has enough talent and skill to win.

However, Hall has not thrown a pick in two games against lesser opponents. Has he learned his lessons, or is it just the nonquality of the opponents?

In TCU, he's facing a legitimate defense, with speed, talent, coaching and schemes.

I also don't know Anae's gameplan. Well I'm curious because I just don't know what to predict.

I see a win by TCU, but perhaps a further analysis may let me see why BYU should win, other than I want them to win.

MikeWaters · 10-21-2009, 10:17 PM

We'll have a pretty good idea by Sunday.

Archaea · 10-21-2009, 10:38 PM

yes we will.

Given the non-hostile environment and the fact no surprises may be in order, do you think the troops will be prepared?

MikeWaters · 10-21-2009, 10:39 PM

I'm not a good person to ask since I have not watched any of the games on the mtn. Nor have I seen TCU play this year.

Archaea · 10-22-2009, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm not a good person to ask since I have not watched any of the games on the mtn. Nor have I seen TCU play this year.

That's never stopped you before, what's bothering a sense of honor?

BYUsportsguy · 10-22-2009, 02:30 PM

Prediction: BYU 28 TCU 24

Why this is bad: TCU losing pulls the MWC out of the Top Ten without enough pressure to put BYU back in. The only chance would then be for BYU to win out and hope more top ten teams lose at least one as several have done.

Why this is good: We're BYU fans, for the most part, right? We like winning?

Why BYU will win: National attention in Provo crushed the Cougs against FSU. The team now sees TCU as a big rival, 2nd only to Utah now. It's understandable for the Cougs to struggle a little against the weaker teams because it's way tougher to get psyched up to play against UNLV and SDSU because you don't win any points in the nation by beating them, it's just expected. With BYU as the "underdog", playing at home, hosting ESPN, the place is going to come alive and we'll see plays that Anae has been waiting all season to unleash in preparation for this game.

Why BYU could lose: The pressure could be too much, and sloppy play could cause turnovers which if the difference gives TCU at least 2 more than BYU gets, it would probably be enough to give TCU at least one decisive offensive drive to put up some unanswered points. If TCU gets up early by a difference of 14+ points at the half, some of the team members won't be able to recover from that mentally, although I trust that Hall will handle himself alright and could make things happen.

Since TCU has only beaten a couple of mediocre ACC teams (Virginia 3-3, Clemson 3-3) they still have legitimacy to prove. Their offense has performed well on the road, but if the Cougar defense that beat OU shows up for this game, TCU will find the lanes closed and the receivers covered.

Archaea · 10-22-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BYUsportsguy

Prediction: BYU 28 TCU 24

Why this is bad: TCU losing pulls the MWC out of the Top Ten without enough pressure to put BYU back in. The only chance would then be for BYU to win out and hope more top ten teams lose at least one as several have done.

Why this is good: We're BYU fans, for the most part, right? We like winning?

Why BYU will win: National attention in Provo crushed the Cougs against FSU. The team now sees TCU as a big rival, 2nd only to Utah now. It's understandable for the Cougs to struggle a little against the weaker teams because it's way tougher to get psyched up to play against UNLV and SDSU because you don't win any points in the nation by beating them, it's just expected. With BYU as the "underdog", playing at home, hosting ESPN, the place is going to come alive and we'll see plays that Anae has been waiting all season to unleash in preparation for this game.

Why BYU could lose: The pressure could be too much, and sloppy play could cause turnovers which if the difference gives TCU at least 2 more than BYU gets, it would probably be enough to give TCU at least one decisive offensive drive to put up some unanswered points. If TCU gets up early by a difference of 14+ points at the half, some of the team members won't be able to recover from that mentally, although I trust that Hall will handle himself alright and could make things happen.

Since TCU has only beaten a couple of mediocre ACC teams (Virginia 3-3, Clemson 3-3) they still have legitimacy to prove. Their offense has performed well on the road, but if the Cougar defense that beat OU shows up for this game, TCU will find the lanes closed and the receivers covered.

Is anybody concerned that the flu bug which is repeatedly discussed over the past weeks is worse than is being disclosed?

What factor does a flu bug amongst players have?

bluelands · 10-22-2009, 11:45 PM

To me the game feels like OUII. After watching the defense last year, I could not figure out how the Cougars could beat the Sooners without Oklahoma turning the ball over all night. But OU went conservative and the defense showed up big time.

Since the Tulane game, I've been trying to think of a way BYU's defense can shutdown Kerley in the super frog or whatever they call their wildcat offense. He shredded BYU last year. I'll never get the images of Fowler and Jensen dropping into coverage at the snap of the ball leaving the entire middle wide open for Kerley to zig-zag his way into the end zone.

But this is another big game BYU should be up for. Maybe the defense comes together for another great inspired performance. Who knows what effect the flu will have on either team, but I'm hoping for a great game. BYU 27-TCU 21.

Archaea · 10-22-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bluelands

To me the game feels like OUII. After watching the defense last year, I could not figure out how the Cougars could beat the Sooners without Oklahoma turning the ball over all night. But OU went conservative and the defense showed up big time.

Since the Tulane game, I've been trying to think of a way BYU's defense can shutdown Kerley in the super frog or whatever they call their wildcat offense. He shredded BYU last year. I'll never get the images of Fowler and Jensen dropping into coverage at the snap of the ball leaving the entire middle wide open for Kerley to zig-zag his way into the end zone.

But this is another big game BYU should be up for. Maybe the defense comes together for another great inspired performance. Who knows what effect the flu will have on either team, but I'm hoping for a great game. BYU 27-TCU 21.

I call it TCU 28 BYU 21, hoping to jinx TCU.

BYUsportsguy · 10-23-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

I call it TCU 28 BYU 21, hoping to jinx TCU.

With that disclaimer, you can get away with that prediction...

10-21-2009, 07:54 PM	#1
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	TCU v. BYU I can make arguments about who will win. And although I would not be surprised for either team to win, BYU's troubles with SDSU concern me. TCU is lightyears better than SDSU and can do everything which SDSU could. Kerley could torch us, Dalton concerns me and Hughes could be a nightmare. TCU has defeated BYU in Provo. If BYU shows some tenacity, makes some stops, does not fall behind quickly, then BYU has enough talent and skill to win. However, Hall has not thrown a pick in two games against lesser opponents. Has he learned his lessons, or is it just the nonquality of the opponents? In TCU, he's facing a legitimate defense, with speed, talent, coaching and schemes. I also don't know Anae's gameplan. Well I'm curious because I just don't know what to predict. I see a win by TCU, but perhaps a further analysis may let me see why BYU should win, other than I want them to win. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

10-21-2009, 10:38 PM	#3
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	yes we will. Given the non-hostile environment and the fact no surprises may be in order, do you think the troops will be prepared? __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

10-22-2009, 02:30 PM	#6
BYUsportsguy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Utah County Posts: 131	Prediction: BYU 28 TCU 24 Why this is bad: TCU losing pulls the MWC out of the Top Ten without enough pressure to put BYU back in. The only chance would then be for BYU to win out and hope more top ten teams lose at least one as several have done. Why this is good: We're BYU fans, for the most part, right? We like winning? Why BYU will win: National attention in Provo crushed the Cougs against FSU. The team now sees TCU as a big rival, 2nd only to Utah now. It's understandable for the Cougs to struggle a little against the weaker teams because it's way tougher to get psyched up to play against UNLV and SDSU because you don't win any points in the nation by beating them, it's just expected. With BYU as the "underdog", playing at home, hosting ESPN, the place is going to come alive and we'll see plays that Anae has been waiting all season to unleash in preparation for this game. Why BYU could lose: The pressure could be too much, and sloppy play could cause turnovers which if the difference gives TCU at least 2 more than BYU gets, it would probably be enough to give TCU at least one decisive offensive drive to put up some unanswered points. If TCU gets up early by a difference of 14+ points at the half, some of the team members won't be able to recover from that mentally, although I trust that Hall will handle himself alright and could make things happen. Since TCU has only beaten a couple of mediocre ACC teams (Virginia 3-3, Clemson 3-3) they still have legitimacy to prove. Their offense has performed well on the road, but if the Cougar defense that beat OU shows up for this game, TCU will find the lanes closed and the receivers covered. __________________ BYU Cougar Football News LDS Dating Sites Review

10-21-2009, 10:17 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	We'll have a pretty good idea by Sunday.

10-21-2009, 10:39 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm not a good person to ask since I have not watched any of the games on the mtn. Nor have I seen TCU play this year.

10-22-2009, 11:45 PM	#8
bluelands Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	To me the game feels like OUII. After watching the defense last year, I could not figure out how the Cougars could beat the Sooners without Oklahoma turning the ball over all night. But OU went conservative and the defense showed up big time. Since the Tulane game, I've been trying to think of a way BYU's defense can shutdown Kerley in the super frog or whatever they call their wildcat offense. He shredded BYU last year. I'll never get the images of Fowler and Jensen dropping into coverage at the snap of the ball leaving the entire middle wide open for Kerley to zig-zag his way into the end zone. But this is another big game BYU should be up for. Maybe the defense comes together for another great inspired performance. Who knows what effect the flu will have on either team, but I'm hoping for a great game. BYU 27-TCU 21.