Obama and abortion

[Lost Student]

I usually don't get too involved in political discussions on this site (okay, on any site), but I thought this WSJ article was interesting.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1212...s_opinion_main

I assume that it depicts Obama's views worse than they really are, but wow, abortion to me is one of those issues that really drives me away from the D party (in addition to issues related to the "ecomoney").

I felt a little sick when I read about how if "the abortionist been present at her birth, Gianna would have been killed, perhaps by suffocation."

Anyway, I'd like to see other's thoughts on the article.

[Spaz]

Erm....the abortion of an unwanted fetus that is the result of normal, lawful sexual activity is wrong.

[MikeWaters]

This is Gianna's website. She is a songwriter.

http://www.giannajessen.com/

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Spaz

Erm....the abortion of an unwanted fetus that is the result of normal, lawful sexual activity is wrong.

why?

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

why?

I'm not rabidly anti-abortion. That is to say, I do not favor making it illegal. But on the moral side of it, I look at one of my children and ask myself how far do I need to go back in their development for it to be morally acceptable for me to kill them. I can't say there is a point where that seems okay to me, unless we are talking about a health of the mother issue. I don't make that judgment for others, which is why I don't favor any ban, but for me it is the shedding of innocent blood which is only okay if it is to save another (or during war).

[Lost Student]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I'm not rabidly anti-abortion. That is to say, I do not favor making it illegal. But on the moral side of it, I look at one of my children and ask myself how far do I need to go back in their development for it to be morally acceptable for me to kill them. I can't say there is a point where that seems okay to me, unless we are talking about a health of the mother issue. I don't make that judgment for others, which is why I don't favor any ban, but for me it is the shedding of innocent blood which is only okay if it is to save another (or during war).

I generally agree with your sentiment, but then if I really think about it, I have to ask myself, "how can I be okay with other people shedding innocent blood"?

Maybe I need to become more rabidly anti-abortion because when you get right down to it, is there anything more evil than snuffing out an innocent person's life? I know, I know, the argument is about whether a fetus is a "person".

Either way, thinking about the high number of abortions done makes me quite sad, especially when in the context of my own children, as you have already described.

[MikeWaters]

Abortion has been, arguably, self-inflicted genocide of the poor, especially African-Americans.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I'm not rabidly anti-abortion. That is to say, I do not favor making it illegal. But on the moral side of it, I look at one of my children and ask myself how far do I need to go back in their development for it to be morally acceptable for me to kill them. I can't say there is a point where that seems okay to me, unless we are talking about a health of the mother issue. I don't make that judgment for others, which is why I don't favor any ban, but for me it is the shedding of innocent blood which is only okay if it is to save another (or during war).

Despite what many would have you believe, most abortions are for convenience and have nothing to do with the health of the mother, fetus, or rape/incest. The one aspect that has really surprised since becoming a physician is the number of women who have had abortions for no medical reason. It's astonishing.

I'm with you in that I don't feel really comfortable with the government making a moral judgment in an area of so much disagreement, but it's really sad how many abortions are taking place for no other reason than the pregnancy is somewhat inconvenient. The problem I have with the pro-choice side of this is that they seem very resistant to any attempts to making abortion the least bit difficult. That bothers me a lot. This is a major decision, and it needs to be treated as such. Education, waiting periods, etc should be mandatory.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Lost Student

I generally agree with your sentiment, but then if I really think about it, I have to ask myself, "how can I be okay with other people shedding innocent blood"?

Maybe I need to become more rabidly anti-abortion because when you get right down to it, is there anything more evil than snuffing out an innocent person's life? I know, I know, the argument is about whether a fetus is a "person".

Either way, thinking about the high number of abortions done makes me quite sad, especially when in the context of my own children, as you have already described.

I believe abortion is murder. Some here will disagree stating that it is allowable murder, but intentionally ending an innocent unborn child's life is murder.

And yes, the fetus is a person. Fetus is just a way to help justify this horrendous deed.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I believe abortion is murder. Some here will disagree stating that it is allowable murder, but intentionally ending an innocent unborn child's life is murder.

And yes, the fetus is a person. Fetus is just a way to help justify this horrendous deed.

I take it then you believe abortion is not justified in cases of rape and incest.