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MikeWaters · 05-07-2007, 02:42 PM

I don't see how it is race-affirming for a cheating black man (overwhelmingly, blacks don't think Bonds used steroids) to beat another black man's record?

Why do blacks feel good when Bonds beats Aaron?

Can't the races be united on hating Bonds? How hard is this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2861930

myboynoah · 05-07-2007, 02:59 PM

Why are whites rooting against Bonds?

Upset that Harmon Killerbrew came before the age of steroids?

MikeWaters · 05-07-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

Why are whites rooting against Bonds?

Upset that Harmon Killerbrew came before the age of steroids?

I think it boils down to the fact that 1) Bonds is an acknowledged asshole and 2) he is a cheater.

DrumNFeather · 05-07-2007, 03:10 PM

What does baseball have if not for its cheaters...the black sox scandle, pine tar, Pete Rose, the Steriod Era...seems like Baseball has made its own bed...and as such, Bonds should be celebrated as the new home run king.

Cali Coug · 05-07-2007, 03:24 PM

I honestly wonder about Bonds' safety. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a shot at him before he can pass the record. People are pretty passionate about this, and crazy people are absurdly passionate about this.

myboynoah · 05-07-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think it boils down to the fact that 1) Bonds is an acknowledged asshole and 2) he is a cheater.

1) Hmmmmm.

2) Yeah, and who else isn't cheating in baseball, including pitchers?

I'm with DrumNFeather. I'm breaking with my white brothers and declaring that Bonds should be celebrated as the Home Run King.

il Padrino Ute · 05-07-2007, 03:41 PM

I'm rooting against Bonds because he's the epitome of a jerk.

That said, if he'd just come clean and admit that he has cheated, I believe more people would accept him as the all-time HR leader if he would quit denying it. Also, I don't know how much the steroids actually helped him hit HRs as what they've done is helped him hit the ball 475 ft instead of 400 ft. He still had to put the ball on the bat. And it didn't hurt him one bit that when they built SBC Park, the right field wall isn't as deep as it was at Candlestick.

Bonds is going to break the Aaron's record, but history will look back at the legacy that either player left behind and they'll be remembered as this:

Aaron was a good guy who played hard and hit 755 without steroids.

Bonds was an asshole who hit hit the most home runs, but he used steroids to increase the distance on his hits and also had fences that were closer to home plate.

And I really doubt that there will never be a candy bar made in honor of Barry Bonds.

myboynoah · 05-07-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm rooting against Bonds because he's the epitome of a jerk.

That said, if he'd just come clean and admit that he has cheated, I believe more people would accept him as the all-time HR leader if he would quit denying it. Also, I don't know how much the steroids actually helped him hit HRs as what they've done is helped him hit the ball 475 ft instead of 400 ft. He still had to put the ball on the bat. And it didn't hurt him one bit that when they built SBC Park, the right field wall isn't as deep as it was at Candlestick.

Bonds is going to break the Aaron's record, but history will look back at the legacy that either player left behind and they'll be remembered as this:

Aaron was a good guy who played hard and hit 755 without steroids.

Bonds was an asshole who hit hit the most home runs, but he used steroids to increase the distance on his hits and also had fences that were closer to home plate.

And I really doubt that there will never be a candy bar made in honor of Barry Bonds.

OK, yes, he is a jerk. But it is hard to not acknowledge his acheivement, which I think you are doing.

My view is that most baseball players are juiced. Baseball has let this go on and he has only played by their rules. Can't penalize him for doing what others did and excelling at his trade.

Look at Clemens. You don't think that guy didn't use something?

il Padrino Ute · 05-07-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

OK, yes, he is a jerk. But it is hard to not acknowledge his acheivement, which I think you are doing.

My view is that most baseball players are juiced. Baseball has let this go on and he has only played by their rules. Can't penalize him for doing what others did and excelling at his trade.

Look at Clemens. You don't think that guy didn't use something?

I am acknowledging that Bonds will end his career as home run king. I just want him to admit that he's juiced.

I also believe that there are far more players using steroids than is known, be they pitchers or hitters. Until baseball takes a hard line stance and actually enforces it, it will continue. That is what hurts me as a fan of this sport. Too many cheaters and nothing being done about it.

Of course, it's no surprise that Bonds is a jerk; his dad was a jerk and Barry has been a jerk since high school.

DrumNFeather · 05-07-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm rooting against Bonds because he's the epitome of a jerk.

That said, if he'd just come clean and admit that he has cheated, I believe more people would accept him as the all-time HR leader if he would quit denying it. Also, I don't know how much the steroids actually helped him hit HRs as what they've done is helped him hit the ball 475 ft instead of 400 ft. He still had to put the ball on the bat. And it didn't hurt him one bit that when they built SBC Park, the right field wall isn't as deep as it was at Candlestick.

Bonds is going to break the Aaron's record, but history will look back at the legacy that either player left behind and they'll be remembered as this:

Aaron was a good guy who played hard and hit 755 without steroids.

Bonds was an asshole who hit hit the most home runs, but he used steroids to increase the distance on his hits and also had fences that were closer to home plate.

And I really doubt that there will never be a candy bar made in honor of Barry Bonds.

Coming clean hasn't done Pete Rose any favors...I know I know, it's different, but not really.

One of the most ridiculous media moments I've seen was when Jason Giambi came out an apologized to the fans for "what he had done." Most reasonable people at that point could read between the lines that he was talking about steroids, but the media kept on and on with this..."we have no idea what he apologized for..." Really Peter Gammons? Really Jason Stark? You know he can't talk about things going on in court (at the time)...does he need to come out and say it? Come on now!

If Bonds "came clean" tomorrow, people would be calling for him to retire short of the record...nobody would embrace him...imo.

I'll be interested to see what happens if Bonds name isn't on the big list that this NY Mets trainer supposedly has.

05-07-2007, 02:42 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Why are blacks rooting for Bonds? I don't see how it is race-affirming for a cheating black man (overwhelmingly, blacks don't think Bonds used steroids) to beat another black man's record? Why do blacks feel good when Bonds beats Aaron? Can't the races be united on hating Bonds? How hard is this? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2861930

05-07-2007, 02:59 PM	#2
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Why are whites rooting against Bonds? Upset that Harmon Killerbrew came before the age of steroids? __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

05-07-2007, 03:10 PM	#4
DrumNFeather Active LDS Ute Fan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nantucket : ) Posts: 2,566	What does baseball have if not for its cheaters...the black sox scandle, pine tar, Pete Rose, the Steriod Era...seems like Baseball has made its own bed...and as such, Bonds should be celebrated as the new home run king. __________________ "It's not like we played the school of the blind out there." - Brian Johnson.

05-07-2007, 03:41 PM	#7
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	I'm rooting against Bonds because he's the epitome of a jerk. That said, if he'd just come clean and admit that he has cheated, I believe more people would accept him as the all-time HR leader if he would quit denying it. Also, I don't know how much the steroids actually helped him hit HRs as what they've done is helped him hit the ball 475 ft instead of 400 ft. He still had to put the ball on the bat. And it didn't hurt him one bit that when they built SBC Park, the right field wall isn't as deep as it was at Candlestick. Bonds is going to break the Aaron's record, but history will look back at the legacy that either player left behind and they'll be remembered as this: Aaron was a good guy who played hard and hit 755 without steroids. Bonds was an asshole who hit hit the most home runs, but he used steroids to increase the distance on his hits and also had fences that were closer to home plate. And I really doubt that there will never be a candy bar made in honor of Barry Bonds. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

05-07-2007, 03:24 PM	#5
Cali Coug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,996	I honestly wonder about Bonds' safety. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a shot at him before he can pass the record. People are pretty passionate about this, and crazy people are absurdly passionate about this.