Faith-Promoting History

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Directly, yes. But not until after they were contacted by BKP and instructed to look into his actions. That is why 6 people were all exed at around that month for the same thing.

(How many SPs would NOT excommunicate a person after being asked to by a member of the 12?)

I would hope that I would do what I thought was appropriate, no matter who was telling me to do it.

It's called integrity. And I hope there are a few SPs with integrity.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

A snippet from the biography:

So the Area President asked the Stake President to lie, and the Stake President refused.

In that moment, the SP demonstrated what I call "integrity".

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Tex

You people keeping repeating this like it means something.

Help me out, Tex. First you say that his being an "apostate" has bearing on his credibility. If so, how is it that him claiming to be a believer is somehow irrelevant? You can't have it both ways.

[Taq Man]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Help me out, Tex. First you say that his being an "apostate" has bearing on his credibility. If so, how is it that him claiming to be a believer is somehow irrelevant? You can't have it both ways.

Because in Tex's perfect world the second someone is identified as an apostate he can stop reading and dismiss all their arguments as Satan's silver tongued deceipts.

It really shortens up the whole studying process.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Yes, I know who the September 6 are. Once again, Packer becomes CG's bete noire. "Rumor has it ..."



You people keeping repeating this like it means something.

Packer's involvement isn't a rumor. I know it happened for a fact, just like I know GBH was opposed to their excommunication for a fact.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So the Area President asked the Stake President to lie, and the Stake President refused.

In that moment, the SP demonstrated what I call "integrity".

You don't get to be a SP by ignoring the counsel and suggestions of your superiors. You get there by deferring to their judgment. I don't mean that a slam, but the truth of it seems obvious to me. I guess I'm just wondering what became of this SP.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

You don't get to be a SP by ignoring the counsel and suggestions of your superiors. You get there by deferring to their judgment. I don't mean that a slam, but the truth of it seems obvious to me.

If an apostle told me excommunicate a man, I would fax him a note that says "I excommunicate this man --signed Mike Waters." And then he calls me back and says "no you don't do it that way, you hold a council." I would reply "oh, I thought you had just given me the authority and we weren't to follow the rules of the council, so in fact you are telling me that they keys are mine and not yours, and that I am to hold a council and consider the facts then as presented, withholding judgment until such time?"

It's called integrity.

Hopefully posts like this will prevent me from ever being a SP or Bishop.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Taq Man

Because in Tex's perfect world the second someone is identified as an apostate he can stop reading and dismiss all their arguments as Satan's silver tongued deceipts.

It really shortens up the whole studying process.

One more reason not to allow yourself to be ex'd if you have real aspirations of persuading many members of anything. Sometimes its not avoidable, but I think in many cases it is at least passively sought.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

One more reason not to allow yourself to be ex'd if you have real aspirations of persuading many members of anything. Sometimes its not avoidable, but I think in many cases it is at least passively sought.

Quinn still has plenty of influence on members.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If an apostle told me excommunicate a man, I would fax him a note that says "I excommunicate this man --signed Mike Waters." And then he calls me back and says "no you don't do it that way, you hold a council." I would reply "oh, I thought you had just given me the authority and we weren't to follow the rules of the council, so in fact you are telling me that they keys are mine and not yours, and that I am to hold a council and consider the facts then as presented, withholding judgment until such time?"

It's called integrity.

Hopefully posts like this will prevent me from ever being a SP or Bishop.

Refuse to wear a white shirt to church and grow your hair past your collar too.

And don't shave.