Rumors of our new dynasty have been greatly exagerated. - Page 4 - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

MikeWaters · 09-16-2007, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOhio

Excellent point. We've heard all off-season how our OL will be the shining stars this year. What have we seen? A failed goalline stand against AZ. Incredible amount of penalties. Blown assignments leading to turnovers. Mediocre running game largely relying on the skill of the backs and not the OL push.

what was it trev alberts said? "Tulsa gave up 150 yards rushing to middle alaska state and I expected BYU to be able to line up and run it down their throats." Embarrassing.

tooblue · 09-16-2007, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Thanks exute. You've been in Canada too long. I know it's an attractive idea. That just one change. One small change in the gameplan would have won the game. It's an appealing idea.

Just like the fans who will argue that 1 or 2 referee calls would have changed the outcome, and we were therefore robbed.

It's almost as if you saw this game and decided that our OL was dictating play. Which is an amazing conclusion to make, because I watched the game as well.

It's called ad hominem ... you can't contend with my argument, because you don't understand it, and refuse to understand it so you resort to insults

NO, actually if the offensive play calling was different our O-line could've dictated play

And then maybe our QB and defense wouldn't have been in a position to give the ball away or give up big plays.

MikeWaters · 09-16-2007, 05:47 AM

no we just would have had additional holding penalties which would have been drive killers.

Hall was moving the ball down the field consistently through the air. The running game was not consistent. The offense scored 47 points, yet somehow it is miscues by the offense that lost us the game????? That's an incredible point of view. As if giving up 55 is not something that was crucial in the loss.

Detroitdad · 09-16-2007, 05:47 AM

This loss really pisses me off, because it was an obvious product of mental mistakes, undisciplined play and failure to adjust.

But it does not destroy any of our REALISTIC objectives for this season. We can still win the conference, we can still go to a bowl game, we can still beat the Utes. And I think we should be able to do those things. But back when we were realistic most of us thought we'd win about 8 games, and this ugly game does not really change that.

tooblue · 09-16-2007, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

what was it trev alberts said? "Tulsa gave up 150 yards rushing to middle alaska state and I expected BYU to be able to line up and run it down their throats." Embarrassing.

Actually he said that at the beging of the game. I have endorsed that very sentiment. Play calling --and I don't want to hear the Hall checking out of the play crapp-- dictated that the o-line dictate play.

Watch the game again, you will see they dominated and gave Hall time, opened holes etc. The play calling needed to favour the run from the outset. Anae was impatient, his play calling was cute.

MikeWaters · 09-16-2007, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

This loss really pisses me off, because it was an obvious product of mental mistakes, undisciplined play and failure to adjust.

But it does not destroy any of our REALISTIC objectives for this season. We can still win the conference, we can still go to a bowl game, we can still beat the Utes. And I think we should be able to do those things. But back when we were realistic most of us thought we'd win about 8 games, and this ugly game does not really change that.

actually I think most had penciled in Tulsa as a win, after the game last year.

without sea changes, I don't think we win the conference. Three losses in conference play seemed impossible on Friday, but on Sunday it is very possible.

MikeWaters · 09-16-2007, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooblue

Actually he said that at the beging of the game. I have endorsed that very sentiment. Play calling --and I don't want to hear the Hall checking out of the play crapp-- dictated that the o-line dictate play.

Watch the game again, you will see they dominated and gave Hall time, opened holes etc. The play calling needed to favour the run from the outset. Anae was impatient, his play calling was cute.

you've made your point. Anae lost us the game. Bronco gave a valiant effort and was not outcoached on defense. got it. no need to repeat.

tooblue · 09-16-2007, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

no we just would have had additional holding penalties which would have been drive killers.

Hall was moving the ball down the field consistently through the air. The running game was not consistent. The offense scored 47 points, yet somehow it is miscues by the offense that lost us the game????? That's an incredible point of view. As if giving up 55 is not something that was crucial in the loss.

I have talked about what blame to place on the defense -the D coordinator gets equal ammount of blame. The offensive play calling cost us this game.

As well as the failure of not having legit D1 kicking talent on the squad ... a carry over from last week, a problem that will cost this team atleast two more games this season!

YOhio · 09-16-2007, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

This loss really pisses me off, because it was an obvious product of mental mistakes, undisciplined play and failure to adjust.

But it does not destroy any of our REALISTIC objectives for this season. We can still win the conference, we can still go to a bowl game, we can still beat the Utes. And I think we should be able to do those things. But back when we were realistic most of us thought we'd win about 8 games, and this ugly game does not really change that.

Good post. One of the things that has made me uncomfortable is all the BCS/Undefeated/Raising the Bar talk we've heard from the players. Once these dreams have been shattered, there's a pretty high possibility of a letdown. We saw some of that tonight.

Goatnapper'96 · 09-16-2007, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

actually I think most had penciled in Tulsa as a win, after the game last year.

without sea changes, I don't think we win the conference. Three losses in conference play seemed impossible on Friday, but on Sunday it is very possible.

The above is why I am not overreacting about all of this. I think the next two games will dictate a great deal about this year. If BYU wins both, I think the swagger will come back. If they split we are looking at win some lose some all year. If we lost both, Bronco might experience the most meteoric fall since Crowton.

I am very grateful the next game is at home.

09-16-2007, 05:47 AM	#33
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	no we just would have had additional holding penalties which would have been drive killers. Hall was moving the ball down the field consistently through the air. The running game was not consistent. The offense scored 47 points, yet somehow it is miscues by the offense that lost us the game????? That's an incredible point of view. As if giving up 55 is not something that was crucial in the loss.

09-16-2007, 05:47 AM	#34
Detroitdad Resident Jackass Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roswell, New Mexico Posts: 1,846	This loss really pisses me off, because it was an obvious product of mental mistakes, undisciplined play and failure to adjust. But it does not destroy any of our REALISTIC objectives for this season. We can still win the conference, we can still go to a bowl game, we can still beat the Utes. And I think we should be able to do those things. But back when we were realistic most of us thought we'd win about 8 games, and this ugly game does not really change that.