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creekster · 12-03-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I may well be smoking dope on Air Force. But so are you. They will not take BSU or FSU in a thousand years for much the same reason tehy will not take BYU. For the schools I listed, being in the Pac 10 has much the same distinction as being in the Ivy League. At least that's what they aspire to. They are holistic in viewing their league makeup. The Big 10 is much the same way. I bet if Northwestern could it woud bolt the Big Ten and join the Ivy League despite loss of prestige in DI sports.

I didn't say they would take FSU, I just said it was more likely that they would take them than Air Force. Your insistence on an absolute declinaton is rather amusing, but your point isn't a bad one, in a way, in a that it is possibly true that the Pac-10 would be more likely to become amenable to a playoff than to expand. But if they expand, BYU is as likely as most and more likely than Air Force.

Flystripper · 12-03-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think it is the lack of better alternatives that would have the Pac10 considering adding BYU.

If Missouri goes to the Big 10, and BYU goes to the Big 12, who does the Pac 10 pick up? Utah, a commuter school with little to show in the way of fan support and which other team? Utah and Air Force? Dream on. The only plum that exists in the non-BCS world (that is the team most like unto a BCS team in terms of fan support) is BYU.

I agree with this. The only way the pac 10 ever expands is if their hand is forced. If their hand is forced, BYU is the best option. They would hate it but if they were forced to expand there is not much of an alternative.

Tex · 12-03-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Not gonna happen, Waters. Ever.

... said SeattleUte, the night before the Second Coming.

TripletDaddy · 12-03-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

... said SeattleUte, the night before the Second Coming.

I thought he said, "Umm.....I'll just go buy some lamp oil first thing tomorrow..."

SeattleUte · 12-03-2007, 07:44 PM

You guys think the tail wags the dog at these schools. It doesn't. The Pac 10 is not the SEC. The powers that be love to eat their titanic coaches for breakfast. They'd love to abolish DI sports. They love it when their teams lose and no one comes. Hell, LA doesn't even have a pro football team anymore. I know it's hard for y'all to understand, but football or basketball isn't the center of the universe at Pac 10 schools. It's the flea on the dog. This isn't even close. BYu is as out of the question as Fresno State. Probably what's most likely is Utah and Colorado.

MikeWaters · 12-03-2007, 07:48 PM

Colorado is ranked 79th, meaning it is behind BYU, in US News rankings.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...udoc_brief.php

Colorado is not particularly respected as an academic institution, IMO.

Here's CU's take: http://www.colorado.edu/news/facts/campus/rankings.html

Maybe Lebowski could weigh in.

Pac-10 would want U. of Texas, but wouldnt' be able to get thelm.

SeattleUte · 12-03-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Colorado is ranked 79th, meaning it is behind BYU, in US News rankings.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...udoc_brief.php

Colorado is not particularly respected as an academic institution, IMO.

Here's CU's take: http://www.colorado.edu/news/facts/campus/rankings.html

Maybe Lebowski could weigh in.

Pac-10 would want U. of Texas, but wouldnt' be able to get thelm.

The presidents of Stanford et al. won't be consulting this list in deciding whom to admit. In any event, BYU, despite being a private school with competitive admissions standards, doesn't look that impressive on this list.

MikeWaters · 12-03-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The presidents of Stanford et al. won't be consulting this list in deciding whom to admit. In any event, BYU, despite being a private school with competitive admissions standards, doesn't look that impressive on this list.

Stanford 4
Cal 21
UCLA 25
USC 27
UW 42
Arizona 96
Oregon 112
WSU 118
ASU 124
Oregon State (3rd Tier)

BYU at 79 would be 6th best in the Pac 12th. Utah would be tied for last with Oregon State.

myboynoah · 12-03-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The presidents of Stanford et al. won't be consulting this list in deciding whom to admit. In any event, BYU, despite being a private school with competitive admissions standards, doesn't look that impressive on this list.

That they would even consider Colorado shows where their inclinations rest, and it's not with academics.

Ivy league and Colorado in the same conversation.

SeattleUte · 12-03-2007, 08:27 PM

It's this ranking:

http://mup.asu.edu/research2006.pdf

And lack of academic freedom (if a professor questions the LDS Church's rather large claims he gets fired) and crazy beliefs such as gays going to hell. The LDS Church announcing support for an anti-gay-rights constitutional amendment didn't help.

12-03-2007, 07:44 PM	#35
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	You guys think the tail wags the dog at these schools. It doesn't. The Pac 10 is not the SEC. The powers that be love to eat their titanic coaches for breakfast. They'd love to abolish DI sports. They love it when their teams lose and no one comes. Hell, LA doesn't even have a pro football team anymore. I know it's hard for y'all to understand, but football or basketball isn't the center of the universe at Pac 10 schools. It's the flea on the dog. This isn't even close. BYu is as out of the question as Fresno State. Probably what's most likely is Utah and Colorado. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster Last edited by SeattleUte; 12-03-2007 at 07:49 PM.

12-03-2007, 08:27 PM	#40
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	It's this ranking: http://mup.asu.edu/research2006.pdf And lack of academic freedom (if a professor questions the LDS Church's rather large claims he gets fired) and crazy beliefs such as gays going to hell. The LDS Church announcing support for an anti-gay-rights constitutional amendment didn't help. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

12-03-2007, 07:48 PM	#36
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Colorado is ranked 79th, meaning it is behind BYU, in US News rankings. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...udoc_brief.php Colorado is not particularly respected as an academic institution, IMO. Here's CU's take: http://www.colorado.edu/news/facts/campus/rankings.html Maybe Lebowski could weigh in. Pac-10 would want U. of Texas, but wouldnt' be able to get thelm.