Goatnapper ... do you seriously believe that crap you were spewing on ufans earlier?

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Utah may be different than the rest of the country.

Typically one's non-Mormon friends don't slap you on the back in congratulations.

Maybe not, but why would they care if a mormon friend went? My impression of 19 years olds is they don't put pressure on their peers much. Sure it can happen, but I think 19 year olds now days are more in the "whatever you want to do man" mode.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by ilmf

They're bucking the trend, but definitely not bucking the Mormon pressure/expectation; no kidding necessary.

Did his uncle Danny go on a mission? I don't think he did.

Did his father go on a mission? (I don't know)

All the Mormon pressure in the world led to only one person in my stake going on a mission? That's some amazing pressure. There's 100 times more pressure in Woot's bunghole

[ilmf]

Originally Posted by ilmf

They're bucking the trend, but definitely not bucking the Mormon pressure/expectation; no kidding necessary.

That didn't come out right -- the boys going are bucking the trend, and the Mormon boys not going are bucking the Mormon pressure/expectation.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Utah may be different than the rest of the country.

Typically one's non-Mormon friends don't slap you on the back in congratulations.

My friends were pretty supportive and encouraging. I think there is enormous cultural pressure to go.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

My friends were pretty supportive and encouraging. I think there is enormous cultural pressure to go.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that southern Idaho is similar to Utah

[ilmf]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Did his uncle Danny go on a mission? I don't think he did.

Did his father go on a mission? (I don't know)

All the Mormon pressure in the world led to only one person in my stake going on a mission? That's some amazing pressure. There's 100 times more pressure in Woot's bunghole

I haven't said anything about the pressure that comes from family (immediate or extended) who served missions, only talking about the Mormon church's expectation. Give me a break if you're trying to sell me that it isn't there (unless you're a new convert).

Is this now a discussion about how well the expectation/pressure works? It worked on me.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by ilmf

I haven't said anything about the pressure that comes from family (immediate or extended) who served missions, only talking about the Mormon church's expectation. Give me a break if you're trying to sell me that it isn't there (unless you're a new convert).

Is this now a discussion about how well the expectation/pressure works? It worked on me.

actually this is turning into a "I am a pussy who didn't really want to go on a mission but did anyway because I was afraid what people would think" thread.

carry on. tell us all about it.

[ilmf]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

actually this is turning into a "I am a pussy who didn't really want to go on a mission but did anyway because I was afraid what people would think" thread.

carry on. tell us all about it.

I'd say that represented at least 33% of the guys in my mission, myself included. You've got your head in the sand if you think the pressure isn't there.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by ilmf

I'd say that represented at least 33% of the guys in my mission, myself included. You've got your head in the sand if you think the pressure isn't there.

There were very few in my mission that ever let on in anyway that they didn't want to be there.

But then again, my mission was one where if you were a pussy, there was no way you would stay. No electricity, no running water, no good food, middle of nowhere. Mission president hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Of course legend had it that in my mission there was a special process to be approved to go to my mission.

So maybe more pussies were diverted to other missions.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

I thought I was clear. It is a cultural expectation and he said "this sucks, I quit." I can respect that type of middle finger action to any set of cultural expectations.

I wouldn't be excited if my daughter wanted to marry him, I would probably have her marry Brett Engamen. However, I think his rebel streak fits him well as a Division one eh qb.

So yes, I believe that which I spewed. Do you disagree with me?

Yes I disagree... I think you give him way to much credit. If he would have had the testicular fortitude to buck the system he wouldn't have gone in the first place. If he had this rebel streak why did he end up at byu?

Be honest, He's a good football player because he has honed his skills and a pretty good athlete. if he was really fighting the man he would have gone back to ASU and honored his commitment there.