Okay defenders of Hawaii in the BCS

[Judge Smails]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I chose my avatar based on the people I have to deal with on this site. The computer polls have Hawaii significantly higher than where you want to put them.

...that where you would have them.

Here's guessing they're much closer in the final computer rankings to my 25-30 estimate than your top 10 estimate.

[Ace Tomato Co.]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I think you're seriously smoking something to think Hawaii is worse than 39 other teams, while at the same time conceding that BYU 1984 was in the ballpark of being a top 10 team.

All right, I'm willing to bend on the 40th place. But there is absolutely no way they should have been anywhere near a major bowl game. Agreed?

And by the way, I am not Judge Smails. I've never mentioned where I thought BYU should have been ranked in '84.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

...that where you would have them.

Here's guessing they're much closer in the final computer rankings to my 25-30 estimate than your top 10 estimate.

Did I say they were a top 10 team? I said that they were a top 25 team.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...33&postcount=4

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Ace Tomato Co.

All right, I'm willing to bend on the 40th place. But there is absolutely no way they should have been anywhere near a major bowl game. Agreed?

And by the way, I am not Judge Smails. I've never mentioned where I thought BYU should have been ranked in '84.

Sorry, but your arguments are virtually indistinguishable.

[Judge Smails]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Did I say they were a top 10 team? I said that they were a top 25 team.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...33&postcount=4

You said they were entitled to an auto-BCS bid. I extrapolated from that you think they were top 12. Otherwise, why argue they belonged?

If you are arguing they were really, say, the 20th best team in the nation, but should have received a BCS bid on principle, then that's one thing, and in that case I just think your opinion is dumb. If you think they should have qualified under the current system, that means they are legitimately top 12, and in that case I think you're dumb. Because they're not top 12, and never should have been.

Please clarify your position, so I know whether you're stupid or just have a stupid position on this topic.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

and we saw how that went.

What was BYU's SOS rated in comparison to the rest of D-1 in 1984. (I recognize this is a dumb argument - obviously it was bad, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't dead last)

It was 3rd to last. The only teams worse were San Jose State and Central Michigan, and the difference is minute (0.4176 vs 0.4189 vs 0.4194)

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

You said they were entitled to an auto-BCS bid. I extrapolated from that you think they were top 12. Otherwise, why argue they belonged?

If you are arguing they were really, say, the 20th best team in the nation, but should have received a BCS bid on principle, then that's one thing, and in that case I just think your opinion is dumb. If you think they should have qualified under the current system, that means they are legitimately top 12, and in that case I think you're dumb. Because they're not top 12, and never should have been.

Please clarify your position, so I know whether you're stupid or just have a stupid position on this topic.

The computer polls agreed they were reasonably close to 12th. I don't think they were a top 12 team. I think they were around 20th. Georgia is a top 5 team that essentially had a home game, so the result was a little worse than expected for a 5 vs 20, but not out of reason (see Virginia Tech vs LSU this year).

My logic for their ranking isn't based on their SOS, it's based on how they did given who they played. That's a completely different argument than the SOS-in-a-vacuum crap you go on ad nauseum.

[Judge Smails]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It was 3rd to last. The only teams worse were San Jose State and Central Michigan, and the difference is minute (0.4176 vs 0.4189 vs 0.4194)

But again, I'm not claiming #1, and the computers that agree with me take that crappy SOS into account and still have us clearly in the top 10. Hawaii will be in the range I've had them in all along when the final rnkings come out.

[Judge Smails]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The computer polls agreed they were reasonably close to 12th. I don't think they were a top 12 team. I think they were around 20th. Georgia is a top 5 team that essentially had a home game, so the result was a little worse than expected for a 5 vs 20, but not out of reason (see Virginia Tech vs LSU this year).

My logic for their ranking isn't based on their SOS, it's based on how they did given who they played. That's a completely different argument than the SOS-in-a-vacuum crap you go on ad nauseum.

So, does the 20th best team in the country deserve a BCS spot, if it's reserved for them if they finish in the top 12? This is the crux of this 5 page argument.

Tread lightly here. We may be coming to an agreement.

[Judge Smails]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The computer polls agreed they were reasonably close to 12th. I don't think they were a top 12 team. I think they were around 20th. Georgia is a top 5 team that essentially had a home game, so the result was a little worse than expected for a 5 vs 20, but not out of reason (see Virginia Tech vs LSU this year).

My logic for their ranking isn't based on their SOS, it's based on how they did given who they played. That's a completely different argument than the SOS-in-a-vacuum crap you go on ad nauseum.

Reasonably close to 12th < 12th