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TripletDaddy · 01-11-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings

Ted Tollner, Larry Smith and perhaps the worst hire ever in college football Paul Hackett took a great program and turned it into a mediocre one. I'm not so amazed that PC has done so well but that those three did so poorly. USC is thee program west of the Mississippi and with the talent in SoCal how do you ever have a down year there? Wooden was a great coach. His losses to North Carlina State, Houston, Notre Dame (the three biggest I can think of) were against teams with great players. Bobby Knight is another coach I would classify as great. His last NC team had nothing (Steve Alford, Keith Smart) yet they were able to win it all. PC has brought that program back to the top but that is where I would expect them to be.

According to your standard, PC has never gone in to a game as an underdog and won.

Wooden never went in as an underdog and won, either, so if you are being consistent, Wooden was not a good coach.

Also, your rationale does not explain why FUCLA can never win a football NC. They have the same recruiting base, comparable facilities, and brand recognition as SC. Why are they not always at the top of the polls? Because their coaching sucks recently, even though their recruiting is always in the Top 15-20, often Top 10. Top recruiting classes do not ensure success.

It would be interesting if we could find to any legitimate critique of PCs coaching ability by some source.....I don't know...the AP, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, someone, somewhere who agrees with your contention that PC is not a good coach. I'd be open to read it, for sure.

RC Vikings · 01-11-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Also, your rationale does not explain why FUCLA can never win a football NC. They have the same recruiting base, comparable facilities, and brand recognition as SC. Why are they not always at the top of the polls? Because their coaching sucks recently, even though their recruiting is always in the Top 15-20, often Top 10. Top recruiting classes do not ensure success.

PC is not a good coach. I'd be open to read it, for sure.

I don't think I ever said PC wasn't a good coach just not a great coach. He's a great recruiter.

I wish someone could explain to me why UCLA isn't a top ten program every year. UCLA and SDSU are the two programs that i just can't understand why they aren't better.

Don't be so hurt, I didn't think Dean Smith was a great coach either just a great recruiter.

MikeWaters · 01-11-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings

I don't think I ever said PC wasn't a good coach just not a great coach. He's a great recruiter.

I wish someone could explain to me why UCLA isn't a top ten program every year. UCLA and SDSU are the two programs that i just can't understand why they aren't better.

Don't be so hurt, I didn't think Dean Smith was a great coach either just a great recruiter.

You know I can't understand why TCU and SMU aren't absolutely lights out in football. After all, they are in Texas, a hotbed of talent.

I just can't figure it out. I must be stupid.

(turn on your sarcasm meters for this post)

RC Vikings · 01-11-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You know I can't understand why TCU and SMU aren't absolutely lights out in football. After all, they are in Texas, a hotbed of talent.

I just can't figure it out. I must be stupid.

(turn on your sarcasm meters for this post)

But seriously Mike, UCLA has a 100 NC's overall and they can't come up with a great FF team. Something about that place must be drawing other top student/athletes to that school.

SipiTau · 01-11-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings

I don't think I ever said PC wasn't a good coach just not a great coach. He's a great recruiter.

I wish someone could explain to me why UCLA isn't a top ten program every year. UCLA and SDSU are the two programs that i just can't understand why they aren't better.

Don't be so hurt, I didn't think Dean Smith was a great coach either just a great recruiter.

Which current coach or coaches do you consider great?

I think Bronco is a good coach, but I've never spent time around him or his program, so I'm holding off in singing praises for the man, but I understand why BYU fans hold him in high regard.

I have family that have played or are currently playing for SC; I've seen it first hand, PC is not only a great recruiter, but a great coach as well.

RC Vikings · 01-11-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SipiTau

Which current coach or coaches do you consider great?

Jim Tressel

Coach McGuirk · 01-11-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings

I don't think I ever said PC wasn't a good coach just not a great coach. He's a great recruiter.

I wish someone could explain to me why UCLA isn't a top ten program every year. UCLA and SDSU are the two programs that i just can't understand why they aren't better.

Don't be so hurt, I didn't think Dean Smith was a great coach either just a great recruiter.

Being a great recruiter is almost required for being a great coach in college football. Pete Carrol is a great coach, in college. One of his strengths is taken away when trying to apply it to the NFL. Which is why so many college coaches fail on the pro level and so many pro coaches fail on the college level.

What if any decisions or stratagems has PC put into practice that you feel diminishes his coaching abilities? What I have seen is that he rarely is ruffled, He uses his weapons appropriately and plays to those strengths and seems to be able to keep key coaches and when he does lose them, He has prepared well enough to have a subordinate step in without missing a beat.......you can apply that to the players too. The guy is top notch.

Now, he would be stupid to go to the pros again imo. He is in the process of building an incredible legacy and I would hate to see him give that up to coach the Falcons.

TripletDaddy · 01-11-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings

Jim Tressel

He has looked great the last 2 seasons.

TripletDaddy · 01-11-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings

I don't think I ever said PC wasn't a good coach just not a great coach. He's a great recruiter.

I wish someone could explain to me why UCLA isn't a top ten program every year. UCLA and SDSU are the two programs that i just can't understand why they aren't better.

Don't be so hurt, I didn't think Dean Smith was a great coach either just a great recruiter.

Now that you clarify your list of great coaches vs not great coaches, I am no longer hurt, RC.

TripletDaddy · 01-11-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You know I can't understand why TCU and SMU aren't absolutely lights out in football. After all, they are in Texas, a hotbed of talent.

I just can't figure it out. I must be stupid.

(turn on your sarcasm meters for this post)

I agree with your point and appreciate the sarcasm.

However, on a serious note, RC makes a valid point. The difference between TCU/SMU and FUCLA is that FUCLA is usually Top 15-20 in recruiting classes every year. For the 2007 season, they were AP #6 or #7, one spot above SC's recruiting class. So FUCLA is getting talent coming in. They just arent developing the talent. SMU/TCU rarely if ever has a highly rated recruiting class despite being in a hotbed. They seem to lack recruiting and coaching skills.