Court finds that Duke could not possibly be a worse football team.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

It has never been that way in football. What does the BCS have to do with it?

The championship in football has always been a result of voting.

I know completely different point I'm gonna bring up here...but do you actually like and are in favor of the BCS as opposed to a Playoff or....are you just arguing Il Pad's other point here?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I hate the BCS, but I don't think this is true at all. You can actually see who had the better odds of making a BCS bowl by just looking at the final BCS rankings. Was Duke ever higher than Bowling Green, BYU, Utah or any other modestly successful non-BCS program?

As I told DDD, that isn't the point. Duke has a shot every year simply because it is in a BCS conference. Non-BCS teams have a strike against them each year because they are non-BCS.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Before the BCS, the teams that the BCS have decided are unworthy to participate had a chance. 1984 ring a bell?

While the precious method was chosen by voters, it was a helluva lot better than computers deciding it and all teams had an equal shot.

How was it better. How many mid-majors won NCs pre-BCS?

1...unless you go back to the era when Army was actually a powerhouse.

What does it matter that UNLV cant content for a football NC....they arent going to win one anyway.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

How was it better. How many mid-majors won NCs pre-BCS?

1...unless you go back to the era when Army was actually a powerhouse.

What does it matter that UNLV cant content for a football NC....they arent going to win one anyway.

Now you're just trying to get under my skin. It ain't gonna happen.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I know completely different point I'm gonna bring up here...but do you actually like and are in favor of the BCS as opposed to a Playoff or....are you just arguing Il Pad's other point here?

I am mostly indifferent to the BCS. Given the choice, I would much prefer a playoff...but not because of the BCS. I wanted a playoff even before the BCS or the Bowl Alliance. I think a playoff would be more exciting than the current system...or the system prior to the BCS.

I don't buy or have sympathy for the "we are not being treated fairly" argument that mid-majors make. If they produced a better product, they would have been invited.

I don't buy the "crappy BCS team is in a better position than good mid-major team..." While technically true, practically speaking, Duke is in no danger of stumbling upon a football NC, so we don't have to worry about it.

My whole thing with the complaining.....practically speaking, why does everyone care? Look back over the past 40 years at football championships. Which teams were the winners? The same usual suspects (except BYU once). All BCS teams, even before there was a BCS.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Now you're just trying to get under my skin. It ain't gonna happen.

I'm honestly not, promise.

I really feel that way. If BYU wins out this year, but SC or Ohio State wins out, too, SC or Ohio State deserves the slot over BYU because they have played a better schedule. That's the way I feel. And I see nothing inequitable about it.

The fact that there is no playoff is not the fault of the BCS. There was no playoff prior to the BCS. In fact, you could argue that the BCS was a stroke of genius....the conferences knew that there was a major cash market for organized post-season college football, so they invented the BCS....the closest thing we have to date to official post-season college football...and what do you know....they make millions.

[Lost Student]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I don't buy or have sympathy for the "we are not being treated fairly" argument that mid-majors make. If they produced a better product, they would have been invited.

I know you do not believe that inclusion into the BCS is based on on-the-field performance over other measurables (TV revenue, size of local media market, etc.).

edit: on a second reading, maybe I misunderstood--are you talking solely about the championship game?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

As I told DDD, that isn't the point. Duke has a shot every year simply because it is in a BCS conference. Non-BCS teams have a strike against them each year because they are non-BCS.

I am honestly becoming convinced that it is easier for a non-BCS team to get into the BCS than a BCS team, particularly under the new rules. The new rules virtually guarantee that a non-BCS school be included every year (Hawaii, Boise St., Utah, etc.). All you have to do is win all of your games (or maybe even lose one game if you start ranked high enough). That is far easier to do when your schedule is full of patsies (take a look at who Hawaii played last year- how could you NOT go undefeated?). Compare that to playing in the SEC or other BCS conference. If BYU beats UW and UCLA this year, they are a virtual lock to be in the BCS. Sure, they could stumble to Utah or TCU or some other team, but it isn't likely. I am actually becoming converted to the new BCS system as an improvement to the old system. The BCS still sucks (because it isn't a playoff and nothing short of a playoff will be great), but it is superior to the old method (which want any method at all).

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Lost Student

I know you do not believe that inclusion into the BCS is based on on-the-field performance over other measurables (TV revenue, size of local media market, etc.).

edit: on a second reading, maybe I misunderstood--are you talking solely about the championship game?

No, inclusion is based on both. I think that is probably fair....TV market, etc...again, if that is true, why would a mid-major be pissed? they have little to offer by way of media markets.

I am talking about the BCS in general. Which conferences were invited to participate in the Bowl Alliance when it was originated. There was a reason the crazy WAC and the Sun Belt and CUSA, et al, were not invited.

[il Padrino Ute]

The BCS has always and will always suck.

There is nothing good about it.