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MikeWaters · 09-14-2008, 08:15 PM

is it possible we could be ranked 2nd, if there is not more than 2 undefeated teams?

il Padrino Ute · 09-14-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

is it possible we could be ranked 2nd, if there is not more than 2 undefeated teams?

Never underestimate the bias against non-BCS teams.

Brian · 09-14-2008, 08:39 PM

Never underestimate the importance of schedule strength to BCS conf. voters.
Especially the SEC.

A two loss SEC team is more impressive that an unbeaten mid-major. Dick Harmon may be that stupid but the rest of the planet isn't.

ERCougar · 09-14-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Never underestimate the importance of schedule strength to BCS conf. voters.
Especially the SEC.

A two loss SEC team is more impressive that an unbeaten mid-major. Dick Harmon may be that stupid but the rest of the planet isn't.

While I don't disagree with you, I read on CB that Fox was saying that BYU has to be considered in the Nat'l championship mix. I'm not ready to say that, but this win was big in getting us some attention. If enough people start to mention it, the idea becomes more fathomable.

If BYU decidedly wins all of their games and TCU and Utah beat everyone but BYU, there's a chance of No. 2.

MikeWaters · 09-14-2008, 09:08 PM

A team that is ranked 11th after week 3 ought to have a shot at #2 in the polls if it remains undefeated.

Cali Coug · 09-14-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A team that is ranked 11th after week 3 ought to have a shot at #2 in the polls if it remains undefeated.

Wow- I actually agree. It would take the following to happen (I think):

1. BYU needs to win out, and the mov needs to be HUGE against almost everyone.
2. TCU and Utah need to win out (or at least one of them needs to and the other needs to have one loss to OU at the most). Preferably both are ranked in the top 10-15.
3. ECU needs to lose a game, or they need to have a few more tight ones like they did against Tulane.
4. Everyone ahead of BYU except for USC needs at least one loss. OU will be the hardest to take down. I don't see any SEC school going undefeated, certainly no Big East or Big 10 team or ACC team either.

BarbaraGordon · 09-14-2008, 09:21 PM

First off, just win. No point in worrying about the rest of it.

Second off, Brian is correct, a 1-loss USC or SEC will get the bid over almost any undefeated team in the country (seeing as how Ohio State already has a loss). So you guys need to be one of two or fewer undefeateds and have either USC/SEC with two losses.

SoonerCoug · 09-14-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Wow- I actually agree. It would take the following to happen (I think):

1. BYU needs to win out, and the mov needs to be HUGE against almost everyone.
2. TCU and Utah need to win out (or at least one of them needs to and the other needs to have one loss to OU at the most). Preferably both are ranked in the top 10-15.
3. ECU needs to lose a game, or they need to have a few more tight ones like they did against Tulane.
4. Everyone ahead of BYU except for USC needs at least one loss. OU will be the hardest to take down. I don't see any SEC school going undefeated, certainly no Big East or Big 10 team or ACC team either.

Wrong. OU needs two losses. Basically everyone ahead of BYU needs two losses, and some teams that are behind BYU need two losses.

Brian · 09-14-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A team that is ranked 11th after week 3 ought to have a shot at #2 in the polls if it remains undefeated.

Sure, if they have some quality wins. But, that possibility doesn't exist with your schedule.

And it never will in the mwc.

Brian · 09-14-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ERCougar

While I don't disagree with you, I read on CB that Fox was saying that BYU has to be considered in the Nat'l championship mix. I'm not ready to say that, but this win was big in getting us some attention. If enough people start to mention it, the idea becomes more fathomable.

If BYU decidedly wins all of their games and TCU and Utah beat everyone but BYU, there's a chance of No. 2.

Maybe a chance out to 8 decimal places, but not realistically.

Maybe if everyone in the SEC has 4 losses.
But then we are back to 8 decimal places.

09-14-2008, 08:15 PM	#1
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09-14-2008, 08:39 PM	#3
Brian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oak Ridge, TN Posts: 1,308	Never underestimate the importance of schedule strength to BCS conf. voters. Especially the SEC. A two loss SEC team is more impressive that an unbeaten mid-major. Dick Harmon may be that stupid but the rest of the planet isn't. __________________ e^(i * pi) + 1 = 0 5 great numbers in one little equation.

09-14-2008, 09:08 PM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	A team that is ranked 11th after week 3 ought to have a shot at #2 in the polls if it remains undefeated.

09-14-2008, 09:21 PM	#7
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	First off, just win. No point in worrying about the rest of it. Second off, Brian is correct, a 1-loss USC or SEC will get the bid over almost any undefeated team in the country (seeing as how Ohio State already has a loss). So you guys need to be one of two or fewer undefeateds and have either USC/SEC with two losses.