BYU SOS--1st grader's take

[Indy Coug]

Since 1980, BYU is 6-31-1 against BCS teams that have won 8 or more games in a season. The biggest margin of victory in the six wins was 28-21 vs Miami in 1990.

Season	W/L	Team	Opponent	        Record	PF	PA
1997	W	BYU	Arizona St.       	9-3-0	13	10
1990	W	BYU	Miami (FL)        	10-2-0	28	21
1989	W	BYU	Oregon            	8-4-0	45	41
1988	W	BYU	Colorado          	8-4-0	20	17
1981	W	BYU	Washington St.    	8-3-1	38	36
1996	W	BYU	Kansas St.        	9-3-0	19	15
1991	T	BYU	Iowa              	10-1-1	13	13

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Since 1980, BYU is 6-31-1 against BCS teams that have won 8 or more games in a season. The biggest margin of victory in the six wins was 28-21 vs Miami in 1990.

Season	W/L	Team	Opponent	        Record	PF	PA
1997	W	BYU	Arizona St.       	9-3-0	13	10
1990	W	BYU	Miami (FL)        	10-2-0	28	21
1989	W	BYU	Oregon            	8-4-0	45	41
1988	W	BYU	Colorado          	8-4-0	20	17
1981	W	BYU	Washington St.    	8-3-1	38	36
1996	W	BYU	Kansas St.        	9-3-0	19	15
1991	T	BYU	Iowa              	10-1-1	13	13

Maybe Dick Harman will use that figure in his next article.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Please stay out of the football forum with this trash.

You're the one who's divorced with children that hate you, not me.

Come on, you gotta admit it was a little funny. Sorry for the hijack, but I couldn't resist.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I'm pragmatic. I don't like our schedule (although when Washington and UCLA were scheduled there was a reasonable expectation they would NOT suck as hard as they do), but I understand that jacking up the difficulty is not an answer if BCS glory is high on the list of program priorities.

I don't like the proposed $700B goverment bailout, but I recognize it as a pragmatic necessity.

Your schedule:

upside:
--slightly more likely to make a BCS game in years we are not legit top 12
--financially we might bring in an extra $2M (our share) every 10 years (??--this is incremental over a tough schedule model)

downside:
--boring regular season
--everyone complaining about our schedule
--more likely to get waxed in the big spotlight game once we make it

My schedule:

upside:
--exciting season
--national talk in your good years is about what you've done on the field not about your weak schedule
--financial increase in tickets, TV revenue

downside:
--slightly less likely to make the BCS


Slightly

When I say slightly I mean extremely slightly, and possibly zero. It's much more difficult to game the system than people realize. It could easily work against you. You could be a legit top 5 team, with a crap schedule, and play one unlucky bad game, and lose all BCS dreams. Also with a tough schedule, you could get lucky in that tough national game, win, and be overrated due to the tough schedule.


I don't know which of these assumptions the pussy schedule crowd is valuing differently than me. It's very mind boggling what the logic is.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Since 1980, BYU is 6-31-1 against BCS teams that have won 8 or more games in a season. The biggest margin of victory in the six wins was 28-21 vs Miami in 1990.

Season    W/L    Team    Opponent            Record    PF    PA
1997    W    BYU    Arizona St.           9-3-0    13    10
1990    W    BYU    Miami (FL)            10-2-0    28    21
1989    W    BYU    Oregon                8-4-0    45    41
1988    W    BYU    Colorado              8-4-0    20    17
1981    W    BYU    Washington St.        8-3-1    38    36
1996    W    BYU    Kansas St.            9-3-0    19    15
1991    T    BYU    Iowa                  10-1-1    13    13

So what are you hoping to get out of a BCS bowl. With that kind of pessimism/reality, you're basically saying you would expect BYU to get waxed in a BCS bowl, right? What are the chances we'd win a BCS bowl? Are you happy with say a 15% chance to keep it close or win and an 85% chance to get embarassed? What does that do for you?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by jay santos

So what are you hoping to get out of a BCS bowl. With that kind of pessimism/reality, you're basically saying you would expect BYU to get waxed in a BCS bowl, right? What are the chances we'd win a BCS bowl? Are you happy with say a 15% chance to keep it close or win and an 85% chance to get embarassed? What does that do for you?

It's infinitely better than playing a 6-7 UCLA team in Las Vegas that we have to beat by blocking a FG on the last play of the game.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It's infinitely better than playing a 6-7 UCLA team in Las Vegas that we have to beat by blocking a FG on the last play of the game.

Interesting.

If I had to choose from

a. crap Vegas Bowl victory or loss or whatever

vs

b. Hawaii type experience in a BCS game, where everyone's ripping on our schedule, and then we get embarassed


I choose a. Maybe that's the difference. I don't see any value in the Hawaii experience.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Interesting.

If I had to choose from

a. crap Vegas Bowl victory or loss or whatever

vs

b. Hawaii type experience in a BCS game, where everyone's ripping on our schedule, and then we get embarassed


I choose a. Maybe that's the difference. I don't see any value in the Hawaii experience.

That's a pussy attitude.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

That's a pussy attitude.

How so?

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It's infinitely better than playing a 6-7 UCLA team in Las Vegas that we have to beat by blocking a FG on the last play of the game.

In a single isolated season it is better; however, over the course of ten years it's not better.

I agree with you that in general

BCS Bowl game > Las Vegas Bowl game

; however, I think that

Las Vegas Bowl game + 4 awesome non-conference games each year > Crappy non-conference + BCS bowl game once every 10 years.