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Surfah · 12-10-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Murdock is at his best when facing full court pressure, like against Louisville. When Murdock is in the half-court set facing a slow-down grind it out team like Michigan State, he is a liability.

Agreed, which is why I wish he'd take your advice and develop the ability to knock down the three like it were a set shot.

MikeWaters · 12-10-2007, 05:35 PM

It's too bad Murdock can't shoot, and can't take it to the rim and draw some fouls.

It's also too bad about war and famine and suffering.

K-dog · 12-10-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's too bad Murdock can't shoot, and can't take it to the rim and draw some fouls.

It's also too bad about war and famine and suffering.

I think Murdock is an adequate shooter. I think he was facing an excellent defense and our system isn't the best for adaptation.

MikeWaters · 12-10-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by K-dog

I think Murdock is an adequate shooter. I think he was facing an excellent defense and our system isn't the best for adaptation.

He needs to given the green light, so he can get some practice and confidence.

When you have facing a zone, and you have a guard or two who won't take wide open 3's , you are dead meat.

I'm not saying he's a bad shooter. But he is a weak link right now.

K-dog · 12-10-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He needs to given the green light, so he can get some practice and confidence.

When you have facing a zone, and you have a guard or two who won't take wide open 3's , you are dead meat.

I'm not saying he's a bad shooter. But he is a weak link right now.

I agree with that. Like most of our guards, he shoots well in rhythm and he shoots well when he is confident. we need to find ways to get him confident and get him shots in rhythm.

I think that this team is really lacking a handful of offensive sets to be used at the end of the first half and at the end of the game or coming out of timeouts. A few sets that get us certain shots. I would love to see Tavernari come off a staggered triple for a catch and shoot. I would love to see us run Cummard off of a guard double in an inverted post and get him the ball on the block against a 1, 2, or 3. I would love to see TP throw the ball to the top of the key from a 17 foot catch, run off a double screen as the ball swings away and either catch it deep or have the screen break into Tav at the high post and Cummard at the angle. Our guys shoot well off screens, we should put in some sets that will help them do that which we only use at certain times.

jay santos · 12-10-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

You would kill for Rose to even have a fraction of the success that Majerus had. At the end of this year when Rose loses in the second round of the NCAA tournament, just remember that a second round exit from the NCAA tournament was an average year for Majerus.

Majerus was a hell of a recruiter. He had national name recognition and could recruit like no one Utah has ever had nor ever will again.

He was extremely overrated as a tactician.

mpfunk · 12-10-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Majerus was a hell of a recruiter. He had national name recognition and could recruit like no one Utah has ever had nor ever will again.

He was extremely overrated as a tactician.

I don't think it is possible to be more wrong in your assessment of Rick Majerus. His weakness was as a recruiter, his strength was as a tactician. Amazing recruiters don't have nearly the amount of screw ups in talent evaluation that Majerus had.

Look at all the teams he beat that had superior talent. Tell Lute Olsen that Majerus isn't an amazing tactician and he would probably laugh in your face. Either that of Olsen would curl up into the fetal position remembering the beat down that Majerus gave him.

Let's stay in 1998 and just take a quick look at the UNC roster that Utah beat. Talent wise that team absolutely destroyed us. These are just a few of the many examples.

As for recruiting. Boylen's second class at Utah is probably better than any class that Majerus had at Utah. Unfortunately, Boylen is not the coach that Majerus is so it is unlikely to pull us a Miller or Van Horn.

Clark Addison · 12-10-2007, 06:43 PM

It seems to me that early in the year (like through the Louisville game) JT was spending a lot more time in teh high post, shooting quick little 15 footers, and I thought he was effective there. Agaisnt UNC, he fell in love with the 3 pointer, and started jacking them up at every opportunity. I think part of the problem is he doesn't really know how to act as a complementary player.

For the record, I am still high on him, and expect Rose and him to make the adjustments for him to be very effective this year.

UteStar · 12-10-2007, 06:50 PM

I would have to agree with Funk. Majerus was much better at breaking other teams down and coming up with game plans than he was recruiting.

A Majerus class could be broken down to the following: 1 real good player, 1 average player and 2 players that would be out of the program in a year. A lot of his shortcomings in recruiting was that he didn't like it all. Most of his major gets were in thanks to Donnie Daniels and Judkins.

myboynoah · 12-10-2007, 07:02 PM

Why are we talking about the fat man in this thread?

As good a coach as he was, he was clearly losing it before he medivaced himself to the West Coast. What a soap opera that became. Now he's losing to the likes of Sam Houston State.

Does he still live in a motel and eat pizza every night?

12-10-2007, 07:02 PM	#30
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12-10-2007, 05:35 PM	#22
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's too bad Murdock can't shoot, and can't take it to the rim and draw some fouls. It's also too bad about war and famine and suffering.

12-10-2007, 06:43 PM	#28
Clark Addison Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 638	It seems to me that early in the year (like through the Louisville game) JT was spending a lot more time in teh high post, shooting quick little 15 footers, and I thought he was effective there. Agaisnt UNC, he fell in love with the 3 pointer, and started jacking them up at every opportunity. I think part of the problem is he doesn't really know how to act as a complementary player. For the record, I am still high on him, and expect Rose and him to make the adjustments for him to be very effective this year.

12-10-2007, 06:50 PM	#29
UteStar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,817	I would have to agree with Funk. Majerus was much better at breaking other teams down and coming up with game plans than he was recruiting. A Majerus class could be broken down to the following: 1 real good player, 1 average player and 2 players that would be out of the program in a year. A lot of his shortcomings in recruiting was that he didn't like it all. Most of his major gets were in thanks to Donnie Daniels and Judkins.