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jay santos · 12-17-2007, 04:47 PM

BYU with Tavernari starting and playing well: #20 in nation

BYU with Tavernari coming off bench and playing average: #40 in nation

BYU with Tavernari starting and playing poorly: #50 in nation

We need JT. This is Rose's chance to do some good coaching this year. If he can reign in JT a little without ruining his confidence, he will show the mark of a great coach. If he either lets him ruin the team or gives up on him, then he won't take this team as far as we could go.

Indy Coug · 12-17-2007, 04:48 PM

I really think it was an effort to get some bench scoring. Our bench was contributing jack on offense for several games. That, plus it would allow Cummard an opportunity to get more involved in the offense.

Tav is a great person to have as a 6th man and he can still get 25 to 30 minutes.

MikeWaters · 12-17-2007, 04:50 PM

Jimmer is not athletic.

(I figured it would get there eventually anyways).

jay santos · 12-17-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Jimmer is not athletic.

(I figured it would get there eventually anyways).

LOL. OK, on Jimmer.

You keep going back to his recruiting video. Toss that out. We now have 187 minutes of him playing D1 ball and another 70+ minutes of him in exhibition games.

Here's what we know.

1. He's got a silky smooth jump shot and NBA range. Shooting 37% from 3's. Not the best but not bad for a frosh. He's been in a slump lately, I expect that # to go up.
2. He is a step slower than quick D1 guards. But he's a smart defender and can use his size and yes athleticism to keep his man in check. He leads the team in steals with 2/3 the minutes of the starters.
3. Bit of a liablity rebounding the ball from the wing position.
4. Started out solid on TO's but he's been TO prone lately. We'll watch that trend.
5. Can drive and dish or score. He might be the best guy on the team in creating his own shot from the perimeter, next to Burgess. But that might not be saying an awful lot for this team.
6. He would beat Mike Waters 21-0 in a game of one-on-one.

IMHO, he's a future star.

jay santos · 12-17-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I really think it was an effort to get some bench scoring. Our bench was contributing jack on offense for several games. That, plus it would allow Cummard an opportunity to get more involved in the offense.

Tav is a great person to have as a 6th man and he can still get 25 to 30 minutes.

If Rose can work in 25-30 minutes for JT as a 6th man and JT plays great, then that works. I'm very skeptical that will work.

mpfunk · 12-17-2007, 05:05 PM

Whichever option gets Tavernari more shots and more minutes that is what Rose should go for. I think the key to BYU basketball is to make Tav the go to guy on offense. I mean the guy is shooting a blazing 38.5% from the field and 37.3% from the 3 point line. He needs more shots.

non sequitur · 12-17-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

We need JT. This is Rose's chance to do some good coaching this year. If he can reign in JT a little without ruining his confidence, he will show the mark of a great coach. If he either lets him ruin the team or gives up on him, then he won't take this team as far as we could go.

I don't buy the line about ruining a player's confidence. I don't want a player whose ego is that fragile. If a player can get his confidence ruined by simply being asked to come off the bench, then he'll never be a great player. One of the common attributes of great players is that they are mentally tough.

jay santos · 12-17-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

Whichever option gets Tavernari more shots and more minutes that is what Rose should go for. I think the key to BYU basketball is to make Tav the go to guy on offense. I mean the guy is shooting a blazing 38.5% from the field and 37.3% from the 3 point line. He needs more shots.

You can come back and comment when you've followed a college team that actually knows how to score points.

Without JT in the game and without him at his best, which is shooting the ball a lot, this BYU team is not going to go very far.

jay santos · 12-17-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

I don't buy the line about ruining a player's confidence. I don't want a player whose ego is that fragile. If a player can get his confidence ruined by simply being asked to come off the bench, then he'll never be a great player. Great players are great because they're mentally tough.

I agree but that's not how it works in reality. Sure, if there were no scarcity in resources, we could run him off the team and find someone else that could rebound, guard other 4's, and be a threat to score everytime he touched the ball. If you find someone else on BYU's bench that can do that, I'm all for it. The reality is we probably don't have any GREAT players. We're a hodge podge of guys with varying skills and psyche and a great coach maximizes results with given players.

MikeWaters · 12-17-2007, 05:13 PM

The worst part about BYU is the backcourt, btw. If you are the second best creator on this team at the 1 or 2 position, it's not saying much.

I haven't watched as much as Jay, but the only person I have seen do a marginally good job at putting the ball on the floor and heading to the basket and creating opportunities is Burgess. And he's not good at it.

12-17-2007, 04:47 PM	#1
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Tavernari BYU with Tavernari starting and playing well: #20 in nation BYU with Tavernari coming off bench and playing average: #40 in nation BYU with Tavernari starting and playing poorly: #50 in nation We need JT. This is Rose's chance to do some good coaching this year. If he can reign in JT a little without ruining his confidence, he will show the mark of a great coach. If he either lets him ruin the team or gives up on him, then he won't take this team as far as we could go.

12-17-2007, 04:48 PM	#2
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	I really think it was an effort to get some bench scoring. Our bench was contributing jack on offense for several games. That, plus it would allow Cummard an opportunity to get more involved in the offense. Tav is a great person to have as a 6th man and he can still get 25 to 30 minutes.

12-17-2007, 04:50 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Jimmer is not athletic. (I figured it would get there eventually anyways).

12-17-2007, 05:05 PM	#6
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	Whichever option gets Tavernari more shots and more minutes that is what Rose should go for. I think the key to BYU basketball is to make Tav the go to guy on offense. I mean the guy is shooting a blazing 38.5% from the field and 37.3% from the 3 point line. He needs more shots.

12-17-2007, 05:13 PM	#10
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The worst part about BYU is the backcourt, btw. If you are the second best creator on this team at the 1 or 2 position, it's not saying much. I haven't watched as much as Jay, but the only person I have seen do a marginally good job at putting the ball on the floor and heading to the basket and creating opportunities is Burgess. And he's not good at it.